Anti wet sump valve

Triton Thrasher · Feb 25, 2022

Tornado said:
Same can be said of brakes/tires/ign's etc etc.

That’s why there are always two separate brake systems.

An ignition failure doesn’t destroy the engine.

Time Warp · Feb 25, 2022

I remember a 'The Two Ronnie's sketch that had a device (A rod on a head band that had a light that flashed when the telephone rang) to alert deaf people.
This thread reminded me of that and it was decades ago.

baz · Feb 25, 2022

Time Warp said:
I remember a 'The Two Ronnie's sketch that had a device (A rod on a head band that had a light that flashed when the telephone rang) to alert deaf people.
This thread reminded me of that and it was decades ago.

Ok here's a true story
My neighbor was profoundly deaf but he could lip read and talk extremely well
He had a landline telephone that used to flash a light
he would pick the phone up and ask the person to wait,then he would come and get me or one of the other neighbors to talk to the person on the phone on his behalf
one time I saw him with the head off his car doing some work to it
when he had it back together he asked me to have a listen to the engine to see if it sounded ok!!

Madnorton · Feb 25, 2022

worntorn said:
I'm guessing that you are speaking of spring valves, not manual/interlock valves?
The two valve types are completely different but often get blurred together in these conversations.

Glen

Two automatic and and 1 manual. The owner of the manual one went for ride, had a coffee and then forgot to open it for the ride home. If a manual one is fitted with a switch it must be wired correct logically.

Fast Eddie · Feb 25, 2022

Madnorton said:
Two automatic and and 1 manual. The owner of the manual one went for ride, had a coffee and then forgot to open it for the ride home. If a manual one is fitted with a switch it must be wired correct logically.

His oil pump must have been completely worn out if he felt the need to switch the oil off whilst having a coffee !

cliffa · Feb 25, 2022

I've just installed mine. I've wired it so the starter or ignition will not work when it's in the off position ( shown here) so I cannot kick or button start it and if I leave it off and switch on the ignition a warning buzzer will remind me.

Madnorton · Feb 25, 2022

Wrong, it needs to be wired so it only works in the on position - think about it, if the valve partially closes from open it should immediately kill the engine, not at the point it is fully closed and the contact then breaks the circuit - it might be too late by then.

cliffa · Feb 25, 2022

Madnorton said:
Wrong, it needs to be wired so it only works in the on position - think about it, if the valve partially closes from open it should immediately kill the engine, not at the point it is fully closed and the contact then breaks the circuit - it might be too late by then.

It does

And it will cut the ignition if moved around 20º from horizontal.

acadian · Feb 25, 2022

I suggest all these threads be compiled into a sticky for anyone interested in going down this road*.

*Or, IMHO, blowing their motor whilst going down the road

trident sam · Feb 25, 2022

Nortoniggy said:
That's what I do but not often as I try to use the bike fairly regularly, mainly winter when I suck the oil out. When I have drained the oil I have a large sign that is fastened over the clocks saying "No Oil".

I do something similar, writing with felt pen NO OIL on the primary case, easy polishes off

Triton Thrasher · Feb 25, 2022

I wrote “No Oil!” On the garage floor.

Made no difference.

worntorn · Feb 25, 2022

Fast Eddie said:
His oil pump must have been completely worn out if he felt the need to switch the oil off whilst having a coffee !

Yes, if the pump is leaking that badly you have to wonder if it is doing much when running.

Madnorton, just to clarify, did this manual valve have a functioning ignition cut-out or was it just a try-to-remember valve?

I have a couple of bikes that get drained for winter to avoid the wetsump and resultant mess. A note on the bike is a good idea, that should do it, but I also pull the plug leads at time of draining.
Even if the note falls off, the dangling plug leads will make the human light bulb come on.

Glen

SteveA · Feb 25, 2022

acadian said:
I suggest all these threads be compiled into a sticky for anyone interested in going down this road*.

*Or, IMHO, blowing their motor whilst going down the road

4 pages of this thread and it was stared this week. Deleting all mention of wet sump valves would probably save over 50% of disc storage space for the forum!

worntorn · Feb 25, 2022

We are all free to read and comment on the threads that interest us then ignore those that aren't worthy of our time.

Glen

Schwany · Feb 25, 2022

I use the much-maligned manual ball valve with no ignition lockout. Not a good solution for anyone with superior intelligence. Fortunately, I don't suffer from having superior intelligence and can remember to turn it Off and On at the appropriate time

It has a Red handle on it making it kind of easy to spot. It always gets a rise out of the back markers that I run across in the real world that are familiar with Nortons. "Don't forget to turn that On." Usually followed by a superior snicker.

Do what you gotta do. Stay in your own lane.

Tornado · Feb 25, 2022

Schwany said:
I use the much-maligned manual ball valve with no ignition lockout. Not a good solution for anyone with superior intelligence. Fortunately, I don't suffer from having superior intelligence and can remember to turn it Off and On at the appropriate time

It has a Red handle on it making it kind of easy to spot. It always gets a rise out of the back markers that I run across in the real world that are familiar with Nortons. "Don't forget to turn that On." Usually followed by a superior snicker.

Do what you gotta do. Stay in your own lane.

I recall Hobot mentioning a similar setup. He arranged it so the longish handle was oriented to interfere with the kicker when in the closed position.

I know if using a procedure that required a reminder to do something, like putting a "no oil" sign up etc, then it would likely be fine 99 times out of a hundred, but one day, when distracted with other concerns, I would forget to do it.

My bike wetsumps fully within 10-14 days. No oil sitting above the tank sieve. So no oil can be feeding pump until sufficient has been returned. That can't be a good thing. I've blown out a crankseal running from a wetsumped start up. Recently, I left it fully wetsump and decided to try kicking it ign off until getting oil returned to a good level. It was extremely hard to kick over. After for 20 to 30 kicks i was done and did not see any significant oil level increase in tank.

SteveA · Feb 25, 2022

worntorn said:
We are all free to read and comment on the threads that interest us then ignore those that aren't worthy of our time.

Glen

Of course, you are right, I 100% accept your point.

But seriously, when do any of these anti-wet sump threads actually provide new information? Any more than an oil thread?

There are only a few ways to do it, including the do nothing option.

Followed by endless debate from the 'do it' and 'don't do it' factions.

The most novel inputs or the ways people use to remind themselves to operate a valve they deliberately fitted, but are seriously likely to forget about when it matters.

Very few of our members cross the floor, and I suggest even fewer do it because they are persuaded by the arguments of others

Pretty much the same with pressure gauge arguments.

I pay my annual subs, and I am happy to do that, it's good value. Certainly better value than any Norton Owners Club I have been a member of.

But a small part of me thinks it might be a few dollars less without some of the repetition we are guilty of.

worntorn · Feb 25, 2022

"Very few of our members cross the floor, and I suggest even fewer do it because they are persuaded by the arguments of others"

The OP did just that. Was planning to install a valve, asked for info, weighed that and did a 180.

Tornado · Feb 25, 2022

SteveA said:
Of course, you are right, I 100% accept your point.

But seriously, when do any of these anti-wet sump threads actually provide new information? Any more than an oil thread?

There are only a few ways to do it, including the do nothing option.

Followed by endless debate from the 'do it' and 'don't do it' factions.

The most novel inputs or the ways people use to remind themselves to operate a valve they deliberately fitted, but are seriously likely to forget about when it matters.

Very few of our members cross the floor, and I suggest even fewer do it because they are persuaded by the arguments of others

Pretty much the same with pressure gauge arguments.

I pay my annual subs, and I am happy to do that, it's good value. Certainly better value than any Norton Owners Club I have been a member of.

But a small part of me thinks it might be a few dollars less without some of the repetition we are guilty of.

I would say a very high percentage of threads on the forum have been covered thoroughly in the past. Using the search feature can help folks avoid repetition, but I frequently am unable to pull up specific threads I know were made in the past on topics I need to ask about. Something in the way the search tool works, fails to find them, or only pulls up only individual posts with a keyword (which can be many,many pages of posts from a single thread) rather than a thread title. This makes wading through unwanted search returns quite tedious IMHO.

Triton Thrasher · Feb 25, 2022

People can fit these things. Some people benefit from fitting these things.

But everyone should be aware.

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.......back to the 70's.

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