Madass (Don Pender) Carb Linkage Kit

Could changing the thickness of manifold to head insulators help with this? Thinking if thinner vs thicker insulators, with or without added sealing gaskets, could change the carb top relative positions enough to affect gantry connection geometry, giving some bending through bodies.

Maybe try some flexible sealing gasket material, btwn manifold and insulators or even go for the RGM full rubber manifold setup.
 
Could changing the thickness of manifold to head insulators help with this? Thinking if thinner vs thicker insulators, with or without added sealing gaskets, could change the carb top relative positions enough to affect gantry connection geometry, giving some bending through bodies.

Maybe try some flexible sealing gasket material, btwn manifold and insulators or even go for the RGM full rubber manifold setup.
Full rubber set up looks interesting, but need to check my parts for flatness first. Thanks for suggestion.
 
Please do, I looked last eve at the RGM page and they have individual pieces but saw no kit as such. Id be interested if they do have one.
 
Full rubber set up looks interesting, but need to check my parts for flatness first. Thanks for suggestion.
James,
That glass plate that Greg Marsh recommended is really a handy tool to have.Many different uses for your shop.
Mike
 
I assembled in a sequential manner on the bench, then onto the engine.
This is what worked for me.
I got fed up with the fluctuations in carb performance so after after the 1st overhaul I sent them off to be sleeved. Reasonable cost and the workmanship was excellent.
The results were parallel to installing new ones.
I fully endorse the Madass setup. It eliminates a lot of variables, simplifies synchronizing and keeps it in place.


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Madass (Don Pender) Carb Linkage Kit
 
James,
That glass plate that Greg Marsh recommended is really a handy tool to have.Many different uses for your shop.
Mike
Hi Mike, I did order the glass plate, may arrive today. I have gone over my gantry carb set up, on the bike, and now off, many times. I traced the sticking to one carb top, one screw and how it interfaces with the gantry. Namely, when I tighten the one inside screw on the right carb, the sticking starts. I can feel it while pulling the short cable slowly. I noticed that the holes for the screws in the gantry don’t align perfectly with the carb top, so when tightened, the screw was pulling the carb top more to the inside. So, I took a small jewelers file and made the hole a bit larger so that it aligns better over the female threads of the carb top. Once assembled, that seemed to help a lot, actually thought I had it licked. However, holding the complete assembly in my hands and flexing the carb, re-introduced sticking. This finding lends credence to those who say all surfaces need to be flat and in a good relationship with the other mounting surfaces. Also, that the carb metal is very flexible, to put it mildly. I don’t see anything wrong with my mounting surfaces, but will check them anyway now that I have it all apart.

I also realized that my sleeved carbs work perfectly without the gantry. One reason is that the Amal carb top is made to hold the slide body round when tightened up via its lip on the underside which inserts itself into the top of the carb body. You lose that when bolting your carb tops up against the gantry so that now there is nothing to keep them round if another force wants to tweak them. I think that is a weakness in the gantry design, and in my case, the less than perfect mounting hole alignment with the carb body. I think if the gantry underside was made to better interface with the carb top, forcing it to keep its roundness, the gantry would be a better product.

If after checking the mounting surfaces and reinstalling the assembly the slide still sticks, I am taking the gantry off. A sticking slide is a dangerous thing to have.
 
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I assembled in a sequential manner on the bench, then onto the engine.
This is what worked for me.
I got fed up with the fluctuations in carb performance so after after the 1st overhaul I sent them off to be sleeved. Reasonable cost and the workmanship was excellent.
The results were parallel to installing new ones.
I fully endorse the Madass setup. It eliminates a lot of variables, simplifies synchronizing and keeps it in place.


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I saw you used non stock screws for your carb tops. Are those a common thread size? My Phillips head screws are getting worn out. Thanks.
 
Hi Mike, I did order the glass plate, may arrive today. I have gone over my gantry carb set up, on the bike, and now off, many times. I traced the sticking to one carb top, one screw and how it interfaces with the gantry. Namely, when I tighten the one inside screw on the right carb, the sticking starts. I can feel it while pulling the short cable slowly. I noticed that the holes for the screws in the gantry don’t align perfectly with the carb top, so when tightened, the screw was pulling the carb top more to the inside. So, I took a small jewelers file and made the hole a bit larger so that it aligns better over the female threads of the carb top. Once assembled, that seemed to help a lot, actually thought I had it licked. However, holding the complete assembly in my hands and flexing the carb, re-introduced sticking. This finding lends credence to those who say all surfaces need to be flat and in a good relationship with the other mounting surfaces. Also, that the carb metal is very flexible, to put it mildly. I don’t see anything wrong with my mounting surfaces, but will check them anyway now that I have it all apart.

I also realized that my sleeved carbs work perfectly without the gantry. One reason is that the Amal carb top is made to hold the slide body round when tightened up via its lip on the underside which inserts itself into the top of the carb body. You lose that when bolting your carb tops up against the gantry so that now there is nothing to keep them round if another force wants to tweak them. I think that is a weakness in the gantry design, and in my case, the less than perfect mounting hole alignment with the carb body. I think if the gantry underside was made to better interface with the carb top, forcing it to keep its roundness, the gantry would be a better product.

If after checking the mounting surfaces and reinstalling the assembly the slide still sticks, I am taking the gantry off. A sticking slide is a dangerous thing to have.
Seems like gantry could be machined tot have a ring groove recess to hold carb top?

Have you reached out to Don (Madass140 on this site) for his guidance?
 
Seems like gantry could be machined tot have a ring groove recess to hold carb top?

Have you reached out to Don (Madass140 on this site) for his guidance?
A few days ago, he thought there was an alignment issue with the carbs that caused distortion when tightened up.
 
Came to realize one of my Amals just won’t work with the gantry. Even though they have been sleeved, one goes wonky when bolted up to gantry, but works fine without it. I called the machinist who sleeved them, but he has retired, advised me to buy new carbs, so I will just go back to stock cables.
 
Came to realize one of my Amals just won’t work with the gantry. Even though they have been sleeved, one goes wonky when bolted up to gantry, but works fine without it. I called the machinist who sleeved them, but he has retired, advised me to buy new carbs, so I will just go back to stock cables.
Wonky in what way ?
 
Wonky in what way ?
The slide sticks when the carb top is snugged up to the gantry to hold the carb body in place. I can feel where the resistance is as the slide moves up the body When the inner top screw is tightened. With the screws looser, there is no binding. If the top is attached directly to the body, it is fine, but if the gantry plate is placed in between, the slide will often stick, but not every time.

I know there is a distortion happening, as I have spent a lot of time working on it. I bought the flat glass that Greg Marsh suggested, used it to find the uneven flanges and top unevenness that had resulted from over tightening in the past. I worked them out as best as I could slowly moving them across a flat file until they were flat. However, I just cannot get that one carb to stop sticking, so will dispense with the gantry for now. I can’t see buying expensive new carbs at this point as my set will work fine without the gantry.
 
The slide sticks when the carb top is snugged up to the gantry to hold the carb body in place. I can feel where the resistance is as the slide moves up the body When the inner top screw is tightened. With the screws looser, there is no binding. If the top is attached directly to the body, it is fine, but if the gantry plate is placed in between, the slide will often stick, but not every time.

I know there is a distortion happening, as I have spent a lot of time working on it. I bought the flat glass that Greg Marsh suggested, used it to find the uneven flanges and top unevenness that had resulted from over tightening in the past. I worked them out as best as I could slowly moving them across a flat file until they were flat. However, I just cannot get that one carb to stop sticking, so will dispense with the gantry for now. I can’t see buying expensive new carbs at this point as my set will work fine without the gantry.
If you are ever in the market for some new carbs i thoroughly reccomend the FCR's that CNW sell....they may not look as good etc...but work/operate extremely well....
 
If you are ever in the market for some new carbs i thoroughly reccomend the FCR's that CNW sell....they may not look as good etc...but work/operate extremely well....
Yes, I imagine they would work well, and I view them as a possible evolutionary step. I just hate to give up on my Amals at this point. I have made a lot of changes to my bike with CNW parts, as well as their engine and tranny rebuild, and electric starter to come, but seem to stubbornly stick with my Amals.
 
Yes, I imagine they would work well, and I view them as a possible evolutionary step. I just hate to give up on my Amals at this point. I have made a lot of changes to my bike with CNW parts, as well as their engine and tranny rebuild, and electric starter to come, but seem to stubbornly stick with my Amals.
"Stuck" being the operative word ?
I've run 32/34mm MKII Amals on my Commando's for years that worked/preformed very well..just like MK1's...but after the last near miss with the throttle "stuck" on full in wet weather I finally ditched them....my sphincter is very pleased with my decision ☺
 

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"Stuck" being the operative word ?
I've run 32/34mm MKII Amals on my Commando's for years that worked/preformed very well..just like MK1's...but after the last near miss with the throttle "stuck" on full in wet weather I finally ditched them....my sphincter is very pleased with my decision ☺
I removed the gantry, re-installed my stock two cable system with stock slide springs and all is well now. No more sticking, very positive return.
 
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