TVS new owner

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Fast Eddie said:
I’m with you 100%.

But I don’t see it happening. They didn’t even do this for the V4 and that was even after they did publish a long list of faults with the previous version. The least they should have done with that bike is confirm that all those problems have been fixed !

It’s a similar story with the 961 I guess, as there are a number of well known faults now, so explaining what they’ve done is a bleedin’ no brainer IMO.

They’ve given us fabulous details about the factory… and way too little about the products!

Personally, it’s getting quite frustrating. I was ‘hanging on’ hoping to be tempted by either a Superlight or naked V4 or 961. But I’m bored now…

I’m not some ‘arm chair warrior’ either, I’ve had one new Norton, had ordered another and am (or at least was) interested in more.

If they’ve managed to switch me off, I’m guessing I’m not the only one.

Stephen, before you start beating me up for being negative, I’m just being honest. Switching off customers like us (brand loyal, ready to spend) is a terrible indictment. They’re doing a terrible job with communications. They have GOT to get their act together if they want to sell premium motorcycles in this day and age…
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I guess that we are all a frustrated, to a greater or lesser degree FE. Who doesn’t want things to move on more quickly, spares to be made available for our bikes and sexy new models available for purchase?

TVS Norton have chosen the strategy of drip-feeding information whilst they develop their model line-up. No doubt to build up expectation and/or because they are still making key decisions about future models. Maybe they’ve calculated that this approach might frustrate the already heavily invested minority (us) whilst building expectation in the prospective majority (buyers not previously screwed over by Garner Norton)?

Time and patience will tell I suppose, as difficult as this is to stomach for many. Don’t think any of us ‘rusted on‘ Norton nuts are really walking away though are we? At the 11th hour? Before our chosen marque is fully re-launched following a near death experience?

Long live Norton - let’s hope their bikes are faster than their business model!
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
I guess that we are all a frustrated, to a greater or lesser degree FE. Who doesn’t want things to move on more quickly, spares to be made available for our bikes and sexy new models available for purchase?

TVS Norton have chosen the strategy of drip-feeding information whilst they develop their model line-up. No doubt to build up expectation and/or because they are still making key decisions about future models. Maybe they’ve calculated that this approach might frustrate the already heavily invested minority (us) whilst building expectation in the prospective majority (buyers not previously screwed over by Garner Norton)?

Time and patience will tell I suppose, as difficult as this is to stomach for many. Don’t think any of us ‘rusted on‘ Norton nuts are really walking away though are we? At the 11th hour? Before our chosen marque is fully re-launched following a near death experience?

Long live Norton - let’s hope their bikes are faster than their business model!
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TVS will do things in their own time,
Slow is good remember!
TVS (NORTON) 's future ďoes not hang on this forums members,
They are looking beyond us almost has beens,
I have faith in TVS and I'm in no rush,
Will content myself in the meantime by playing with my other toys in my toy box!
 
Fast Eddie said:
TVS sell mainly to the Asian market, mainly India (which is the worlds biggest motorcycle market).

So we aren’t familiar with them in the West.

It’s also a very different market, as in India motorcycles are still mainly used as transport, whereas Norton is squarely aimed at the luxury grown up toys market.
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Exactly
But do they advertise in India? Or are they, that popular in the east they don’t need to advertise or post info on social media?
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
I guess that we are all a frustrated, to a greater or lesser degree FE. Who doesn’t want things to move on more quickly, spares to be made available for our bikes and sexy new models available for purchase?

TVS Norton have chosen the strategy of drip-feeding information whilst they develop their model line-up. No doubt to build up expectation and/or because they are still making key decisions about future models. Maybe they’ve calculated that this approach might frustrate the already heavily invested minority (us) whilst building expectation in the prospective majority (buyers not previously screwed over by Garner Norton)?

Time and patience will tell I suppose, as difficult as this is to stomach for many. Don’t think any of us ‘rusted on‘ Norton nuts are really walking away though are we? At the 11th hour? Before our chosen marque is fully re-launched following a near death experience?

Long live Norton - let’s hope their bikes are faster than their business model!
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At this point, I’ll never buy another “New Norton”.
One reason is, as Norton said,,they haven’t plans for USA dealers at this time.

Second, the excitement is gone for me. Plus, the spare part hold up is a turn off to me.
I don’t care what they were doing while they were bragging up their multi million dollar building, they still could of sold spare parts.

To me, serving the past 961 customers would of went a long way in my opinion. Throwing us out like a bag of trash, left a sour taste in my mouth.

And last, I don’t have a interest in the SV.
The Cafe V4 or a Atlas Nomad would probably peak my interest.

You can only hold back the info from potential customers for so long, too long they give up and walk away.

Imagine if they talked about the bikes improvements and provided info about the bikes and not just talk about a new building.
The building isn’t why I’m here, it’s the Motorcycle brand.

Some of you say you’ll wait it out. If I’m in the market to buy a new bike, I’m surely not going to wait an see what TVS decides to do.
To many other brands offer bikes that are available now.
Life’s to short to sit and wait around.
 
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joinerjohn said:
TVS will do things in their own time,
Slow is good remember!
TVS (NORTON) 's future ďoes not hang on this forums members,
They are looking beyond us almost has beens,
I have faith in TVS and I'm in no rush,
Will content myself in the meantime by playing with my other toys in my toy box!
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It’s not about the time for me, it’s about the communications.

You either do this like Bloor did which was to say NOTHING until launch day, then BOOM !

Or you do a better job of what you’re talking about.

It ain’t rocket science.

Look at the clip below by MV Agusta’s chief engineer, there’s a whole series by this guy, really good petrol head stuff that gives a strong feeling that the company is passionate about what they do. Plus it cost virtually nothing to produce…

 
Fast Eddie said:
It’s not about the time for me, it’s about the communications.

You either do this like Bloor did which was to say NOTHING until launch day, then BOOM !

Or you do a better job of what you’re talking about.

It ain’t rocket science.

Look at the clip below by MV Agusta’s chief engineer, there’s a whole series by this guy, really good petrol head stuff that gives a strong feeling that the company is passionate about what they do. Plus it cost virtually nothing to produce…

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And talk is cheap!
SG talked a lot
 
joinerjohn said:
And talk is cheap!
SG talked a lot
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Yes, talk is cheap, so if you’ve got something to say, ie how you’ve fixed all the problems on the V4, why not do so ??

Most manufacturers do this is as a way of convincing people that this years model is better than last years. It’s not new. It’s not difficult. It’s not expensive. In fact there is NO downside.

I honestly just don’t understand why they don’t understand…
 
joinerjohn said:
And talk is cheap!
SG talked a lot
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SG may of talked a lot. But to be honest he was showing progress and was making the bikes we all wanted. He also pulled us in and gave us hope and something to look forward to.

I disagree with his business handlings and conman nature, but he at least spread the news world wide and knew how important advertisement was.

Let’s compare the Norton of SG in the beginning to that of the TSV Norton now.
TVS has all the money and todays social media to spread all the info and advertising they want.

Yet they don’t.
Let’s be honest here.
TVS didn’t design anything yet, they just claim to improve models SG already made. And here were told by TSV that they don’t want the responsibility of a failed SG product. Too late.

Either they should of started from scratch and design their own models or tell us exactly what improvements they made to the SG Nortons. It’s very simple.
 
Voodooo said:
Exactly
But do they advertise in India? Or are they, that popular in the east they don’t need to advertise or post info on social media?
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Saw a report today on 961 Facebook from India quoting deposits being taken with an ex showroom price of approx 24k. First units to be delivered whole and then later in knock-down form.
 
Fast Eddie said:
It’s not about the time for me, it’s about the communications.

You either do this like Bloor did which was to say NOTHING until launch day, then BOOM !

Or you do a better job of what you’re talking about.

It ain’t rocket science.

Look at the clip below by MV Agusta’s chief engineer, there’s a whole series by this guy, really good petrol head stuff that gives a strong feeling that the company is passionate about what they do. Plus it cost virtually nothing to produce…

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Hang on a minute,my F1 Sport rotary has counter rotating rotors.
 
It would be nice if the new owner was a forum member to give some insight. Id even chip in to buy him a really nice bottle and a whatever steak he wanted
 
Voodooo said:
As I stated, I don’t support his wrong doings and conman schemes, but he was making and showing us bikes we wanted.

He deserves life in prison
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SG Didn't produce any new models,
He just brought out another re badged 961s
Special addition
Limited addition
Anniversary addition
CR addition
FS addition
Even a California addition
All off the back of Kenny Dreer's concept!

The V4 Was an Aprilia clone he built (poorly) just to go racing, and boost his ego

So after 12 years he built feck all but re hashed 961s
And a seriously flawed V4
The bikes we all wanted you say!!
There was a lot of suchers fell for SG's smoke screen,
Easy meat for SG!

Oh what short memory we have.
 
joinerjohn said:
SG Didn't produce any new models,
He just brought out another re badged 961s
Special addition
Limited addition
Anniversary addition
CR addition
FS addition
Even a California addition
All off the back of Kenny Dreer's concept!

The V4 Was an Aprilia clone he built (poorly) just to go racing, and boost his ego

So after 12 years he built feck all but re hashed 961s
And a seriously flawed V4
The bikes we all wanted you say!!
There was a lot of suchers fell for SG's smoke screen,
Easy meat for SG!

Oh what short memory we have.
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I’m not here to defend SG
BUT
If he didn’t produce them, then who produced my Commando 961 and my Domi 961?

I’m pretty sure they came from Norton UK and not Dreer Norton USA.

I didn’t say he made perfect bikes that were trouble free, but how confident are you of TVS so far?
Oh wait, it’s to soon to tell.

So basically what your saying is the TVS Norton SV and commando are clones of SG and Aprilia and Dreer?

Am I wrong to say that Dreer didn’t offer a 961 or a newly made engine?
Didn’t Dreer modify 850 engines?
Dreer basically took older Nortons and made them into resto mods and used about 80% new parts.

He didn’t produce brand new bikes.

TVS is claiming they re engineered the 961 and v4.

Re engineering something in my mind is redoing a mass majority of it. Not simple minor upgrades. To which we still don’t know what those improvements are.
 
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