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worntorn said:
All these bikes are poorly made compared to the 961?

The poor old 961s have reported here with broken frames, broken welds, broken triple trees, paint blistering, rust happening and then all of the serious internal engine and driveline stuff. Most of them have done scant miles at that.
I think the nebulous superior quality label attached those bikes went out the window long ago.

Glen
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Well yeah… but the bolts don’t go rusty…
 
City Garage said:
No never seen a 961 in my life. I'm just here for the comments.
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Not quite sure what that means.

Have you read the thread ??

People suffered broken yokes.

End of.

If you haven’t seen any broken yokes yourself that’s great, but it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen !
 
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I'm not so sure if that was an over torqued concern or more of people not gradually tightening the bolts down, starting with the centre bolt.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
I'm not so sure if that was an over torqued concern or more of people not gradually tightening the bolts down, starting with the centre bolt.
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As I mentioned in the original thread, I thought they looked like they’d been over torqued.

However, the 5 people affected all said they had not tightened them. And then others checked the torque on their bikes and found them higher than the spec.

So, on balance, I would suggest it looks like someone at the factory was over torquing them.
 
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What did they use to check torque ie did they take into account break away torque, as that will always be higher than the initial tightening torque?
 
Stu Bodycote said:
What did they use to check torque ie did they take into account break away torque, as that will always be higher than the initial tightening torque?
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It would indeed, I don’t know the methods they employed.

John Sneed (G81 Can Cycle) did say that he thought the design was wrong, with insufficient radius‘.

But if that were the only root cause then there would surely be more broken yokes? I still think that ultimately a breakage like those shown has to be due to the torque applied being greater than the material could withstand, and that the small number of occurrences points more to a random assembly error than a design error. But I’m only theorising…
 
I sympathize with the 961 owners who do what they can to make these bikes work properly.
Given the myriad of problems experienced with the 961, it's always a surprise to see the occasional arrogant and disparaging statement made about other brands. Your statement " I wouldn't want to see a Norton badge on something so poorly made" is over the top.
The other brands you are knocking as "cheap " and " poorly made" actually produce usable , reliable, high performance (Honda and Triumph), long lasting machines.


Glen
 
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worntorn said:
I sympathize with the 961 owners who do what they can to make these bikes work properly.
Given the myriad of problems experienced with the 961, it's always a surprise to see the occasional arrogant and disparaging statement made about other brands. Your statement " I wouldn't want to see a Norton badge on something so poorly made" is over the top.
The other brands you are knocking as "cheap " and " poorly made" actually produce usable , reliable, high performance (Honda and Triumph), long lasting machines.


Glen
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If you're reffering to me; I reject your sympathy and the arrogance of it.

Let me help you with my statement:

"The guy a few doors down has a Royal Enfield. Its a bit over a year old, and it looks like its twenty years old.

There's a reason they are cheap. I wouldn't like to see a Norton badge on something that was clearly so poorly made, even if it meant a large number"

Your need to put down 961s constantly is over the top.
 
Since you think Honda, Harley and Triumph are poorly built while the SG Nortons are well built, we aren't going to agree on anything. I'll leave it there.
 
You’re both right gents, it’s all about perspective / definition…

My 961 had stainless fasteners as far as I could see, and they were all assembled with copper slip.

Also, all electrical connections were packed with dielectric grease. And all routing etc was good.

So overall, the ‘quality’ of assembly in my bike did seem high.

Then, of course, you have all the premium high ‘quality’ components.

All of this definitely adds up to a ‘quality’ feel that I guess is what Gojuu is referring to.

Glen however is looking at ‘quality’ as a measure of functionality / fit for purpose and is therefore concluding that despite all the good stuff mentioned above, as a motorcycle sold in todays market, the list of potential faults means that, by default, it cannot be classed as high ‘quality’.

So, you’re both correct when looking at it from your particular perspectives and definition. And you’re both never gonna convince the other differently !

You should both read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Pirsig talks a LOT about ‘quality’ in that, makes yer think.

All only IMHO…
 
worntorn said:
Since you think Honda, Harley and Triumph are poorly built while the SG Nortons are well built, we aren't going to agree on anything. I'll leave it there.
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Corrosion relates to material and coating quality. That’s different to build quality..

You’re not here to agree on anything; you want reactions and you post here to get them. Now you’ve gotten one, don’t be a sook. Hopefully you can actually leave it there; but I doubt it.
 

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