The P11 thread

[p400]

What does the original battery strap look like?
033184 battery strap and 028044 battery-strap pins....also the original cushion pads 026359 & 033185

The strap is rubberized, with a loop on each end. A pin fits in each loop and hooks onto the tabs under the battery tray. I used a strap from a MkIII Commando, which is adjustable. Instead of hooking the buckle on the battery tray like a Commando, I used it to make an adjustable loop and got an extra pin.
Strap - 064070
Buckle - 064064
Pin - 064065 - 2 needed for this application

Thanks Bill, I will look into these parts , great info.
Is there a photo of what was actually used on P11? Maybe a wider strap?

 

[p400]

Looking for a source for the oil tank decals. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough?

 

[BillT]

Check with Mike Partridge at Walridge

 

[p400]

As pretty as this P11 is, I am finding the oil tank stickers/decals are not correct.
I did place an order with Mike at Walridge.....pipes , cables, etc. and now waiting and pacing the floor.
http://www.walridge.com/

Looking for a source for the oil tank decals. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough?

 

[p400]

I removed the exhaust pipes from a P11 121xxx and neither exhaust pipe lock ring will slide off. The pipes both appear slightly bent. I am guessing new pipes will not come with new lock rings....so I guess I will cut these old pipes to release the rings.

 

[Rohan]

Don't be too hasty.
If they still fitted when they came off, you might want to hang on to them to compare the shapes with future offerings.
Having the absolutely correct shaped pipes can be like having GOLD !!

 

[jerrykap]

That last photo is Bob Blair, owner of ZDS Motors of Glendale, CA , at his cabin up at Mammoth lake, CA. in May of 1968. He's astride a similarly prepared production P11 as the Mike Patrick racer. Bob Blair's shop was the western distributor for Berliner Motors at that time. It was Bob and Steve Zabaro, who worked at ZDS , that came up with the idea of combining Steve's G85CS Matchless frame with one of their warranty Atlas motors to create the prototype P11. That prototype was taken to the Norton Factory in England in Nov. of 1966 for recreation as a production model. The original prototype still remains in England with a fellow named Paul Morin who used to be active in our little known hy-cam group.

Not too long ago, the son of Bob Blair, Steve Blair teamed up with Steve Zabaro to faithfully recreate the original prototype again. The tale of this recreation is well told in the Sept./Oct. 2010 issue of Motorcycle Classics.

I still occasionally speak with both Steve Zabaro and Steve Blair about our beloved P11's and I'm happy to say I was able to help Steve Blair find a donor bike in San Francisco to use
to create another prototype.

https://mymotolife.shutterfly.com/7165#7165

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y81uUHmP-0

this one.

The production P11 (with easily removable street gear) became the bike to race in 1967. Mike Patrick won the #1 plate in desert racing for two years in a row on a P11

maybe the prototype ?

 

[hrwat1]

Evening all .
Finally started reassembly on the p11. Up to pugting oil tank in and remembering that it was a mongrel to get out. Any suggestions and or instructions so as not o murder my new paint?

My gut tells me that rubbers and mounting brackets get installed on tank before maneuvering in to position but.....

Any help appreciated.

Best

Huw

 

[p400]

Yes, I too noticed that the P11 tank removal required a learned skill....lots of banging the paint until a smooth path was reached. My plan is to practice the install more before I paint, but hopefully someone here can give advice . Probably want to shield the exposed paint with a thin cover that can be removed after install. Maybe masking tape holding plastic sheet. The mounting system is, at this point for me, a little insane.

 

[grandpaul]

Practicing the install is a great idea. Cover the frame areas with blue easy-peel masking tape.

 

[p400]

The all plastic, glued together Lucas ammeter is dirty inside. Is there an article on how to disassemble and service such a unit?
Appears to be a Lucas ammeter # 36403A

 

[hrwat1]

Re: ammeter _ do i see tabs on the back of the bezel?

On the oil tank, had planned on masking and doing gently gently.
Am i correct that, installs from side with clamps and rubbers on tank?
Goes in easily enough if not on but then impossible to slide mounts on...
regret not having a couple more dry runs before painting!
Huw

 

[p400]

Maybe this has come up before, but the period details are notable.
Morton Archives

 

[p400]

Re: ammeter _ do i see tabs on the back of the bezel?
On the oil tank, had planned on masking and doing gently gently.
Am i correct that, installs from side with clamps and rubbers on tank?
Goes in easily enough if not on but then impossible to slide mounts on...
regret not having a couple more dry runs before painting!
Huw

Yes, bend over tabs, quite delicate....rtv holds well and is removable later without bending.

Oil tank install with rubber/clamps, for me, only goes in from rear to forward, everything out, but rubs red paint on exposed side against frame tube to allow pushing in place......yikes! maybe some other technique?

 

[jerrykap]

Eastwood was probably the only American important enough to take possession of his P11A in England? I've never seen that particular photo before...it's a good one. But what about the front brake cable? Why does it go under the gas tank? Never mind, on 2nd look you can tell it's the choke cable and the brake cable is routed correctly too.

C-ya, Jer

Maybe this has come up before, but the period details are notable.
Morton Archives

 

[hrwat1]

hmmm....with everything off, I have found it much easier to maneuver in with a little twist from the side.
The only problem with that is, I can't for the life of me then figure out how to maneuver the little mounting pieces in around the rubber...

From underneath the frame tube seems to obstruct the back RHS of the oil tank much more.

Huw

 

[p400]

Inside the P11 Lucas headlight I find a 5 plug connector (parallel independent plugs) that looks original, but I am wondering if it is.

 

[p400]

I spent more time installing oil tank with rubbers and mounts. The only install technique that works for me is to place both rubbers/stud mounts on tank, reaching under and holding the front mount pieces flat against the tank, install tank from rear coming forward keeping the tank pressed to the left side to avoid red paint from scraping frame tube. the top studs will engage their holes first, then rotate oil tank until front studs will engage. Scraping frame tube with oil tank red paint is biggest concern...I think placing a plastic bag, providing two ultra thin layers of plastic at the scrape location, will help the tank slide by......but twice I have made it in without scraping.
Welded battery tray seems to be the problem.........maybe denting the back side of the oil tank is required.

 

[p400]

My researching P11 has convinced me that the correct spark caps for a P11 would be this Champion style -
probably should have a rubber boot at wire end.

 

[p400]

Finally found a picture of the Lucas battery PUZ5A and find that PUZ5A Lucas battery is historical - first 12volt Lucas motorcycle battery.
1967 magazine tiny ad, this is only a portion of the ad