New laws in Australia gone mad

ok, so what exactly should the "authorities, the police" be doing to counteract rogue motorcyclists and groups?

granted, initial response is WTF and anger about decent law abiding riders being pulled over...

should the police do "nothing"?

surely they are fed up with complaints from the public about jerks on bikes giving all bikers a bad name

again, what you believe they should be doing differently to respond to what is an obvious problem?

highdesert said:

ok, so what exactly should the "authorities, the police" be doing to counteract rogue motorcyclists and groups?

granted, initial response is WTF and anger about decent law abiding riders being pulled over...

should the police do "nothing"?

surely they are fed up with complaints from the public about jerks on bikes giving all bikers a bad name

again, what you believe they should be doing differently to respond to what is an obvious problem?

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The problem is one of discrimination, which I am totally against in any form whatsoever. So whatever your opinion is of the outlaw bike gangs, discriminating against motorcyclists is not acceptable. Nowadays the people with the biggest headache due to outlaw motorcycle gangs is typically the inland revenue. I'm against dickhead bikers as much as anyone (for some light entertainment see youtube 'southpark fag') but this is just dickhead policing. We're lucky in the UK (and Eire!) that we have M.A.G (motorcycle action group) who are a political pressure group protecting motorcyclists rights and doing their best to prevent (and succeeding) career politicians from applying their badly thought through, half arsed attempts at government.
Hopefully all the UK and Irish members of AccessNorton are all fully paid up members of M.A.G. Approx. only 2% of UK bikers are. M.A.G need your support and you need them more than you might realise, sign up!

The problem is motorcyclers are easiest targets to discriminate out among all the actual bad people sneaking around when the heat is on. Just another reason motorcycling is such a irrational practice. Except for the naked riders in general cycler's look like armored to rough folks up, particularly the over size folks on over sized cycles, which usually are too decrepit to get into much trouble. What will happen is all license tags will be chipped to report time place etc so can peg at the scene - expect for criminals riding around w/o active chips or stolen ones, so could just end up shoot on sight again.

texasSlick said:

I may be getting off thread, but the police state starts with gun confiscation.....how has that worked out in AU?

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Blah, blah, blah. More FOX noise. For one thing they don't have whole classes of children being shot at their desks. Religion, guns, and antipathy the rural American way.

Would really be a sick world if events were set up to cause public reaction that Gov't respond to by more control and less private rights and property freedoms. But if people are not self controlled then law of necessity allows what ever means and force applied to keep powers that be safe. In a lot of ways the baby boomer generation had it the best there ever was or will be. Missed out on Great Depression [now what group would call it Great?] and biggest war with choking rationing etc etc. Ride em while ya can, where ya can.

Chili said:

Yes plod gone mad!!! There goes the Norton Gatherings, BSA Days et al.

P.S. Joh Bielke was just another Kiwi who came to the real world, with the intention of stuffing it up, looks like he succeeded! :twisted:

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

When I moved to " the real world" :roll: in the 80's and collected the dole under several different names in Bondi I used to go to lots of rallies in NSW, being pulled

over by the cops was a regular thing,as were lots of patched up bikers.

Seriously though, that law is the crazy. The bike gangs here only seem to ride Harley's ( Triumph if you are more individual) so that makes it easier for our cops to

work out who the bad ass guys are.

We have a mole in Federal Govt, clue is her hubby likes budgie smugglers....

PS. Anyone live near Eastern Creek as need a place to stay for next years Barry Sheene Festival, swap for ugg boots, Crowded House record and some jandells

If you look at the history of Australia, particularly in NSW there were originally convicts and the corrupt Rum Corps of whom many our police are descendents. Free settlers such as John MacArthur tried to overthrow the Governer of the colony, and started politics in Australia. Our society reflects those three groups behind a modern facade. The biggest lesson we all must learn is 'the system runs on bullshit'. Once you recognise that you become philosophical and your expectations are not so high. Our gun laws are good, however they they don't prevent criminals from having guns. THey do stop a lot of accidents. Our corporations act does not successfully limit criminality. THe new bikey laws are simply a patch up to avoid dealing with the big guys. Our authorities have been trying to put a brake on bikey gangs for a long time. THe guys are not idiots and have plenty of drug money to mount legal challenges.

glad i do not live down under , but even over here in europa they have lost it
last month while "touring" luxemburg and south germany , we were stopped by CUSTOMS . every bike was checked and every bike's exhaust , rear vieuw mirrors and rear light had to have a europ approvalstamp on them . fine per item was 73€ (~100$) These were not rat bikes or hellsangels or choppers but nice looked after classics (norton ducati atc) but build after 1972
my ducati proved not to be in order , and so would you be ,Ludwig .
looks like the german way of life is taking over.
glad my nortons are pre 1973 and so will my ducati very soon be as well........

Welcome to the modern plastic throw away world of free trade agreements, large corporations and vested interests. Regardless, 'the system runs on bullshit'. In any given situation where authority is exercised, we always must ask the question 'who benefits' ?

If you have a victim's mindset, you will be a victim. All I ever do is ignore the crap, however comment on it in the newspapers especially if it directly affects me personally. It is interesting that in Australia the opinions expressed on forums and in letter in newspapers, usually reflect what appears in the front of Murdoch media. Seems to be an inability to think around all sides of issues. Apathy and belief are strong.

Try posting a letter to the editor of a Murdock paper, against Rupert's dictates, and it will never see the light of day. All his media is doing is trying to do is change the subject after he bragged about changing the government, with a media BLITZ.

Don't give poor old Rupert a hard time, he believes in what he is doing by helping others to work the system. The motives are always consistent - money and power. Don't you know what is good for you ? Fortunately he will tell you. The funniest thing is the Morgan Gallup Poll which is contracted to News Corp. Murdoch reports the results, and Australians love backing winners, so what does the next poll show ?

acotrel said:

Welcome to the modern plastic throw away world of free trade agreements, large corporations and vested interests. Regardless, 'the system runs on bullshit'. In any given situation where authority is exercised, we always must ask the question 'who benefits' ?

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It's all just bullshit really. Australian politicians are completely incapable of having a vision or direction goal to lead this country in so they focus on some barely relevant issue and pump it up to make it seem like they're actually serving the country.

It goes something like this:
Typical Aussie in a rare lucid moment:
"Our indigenous population could do with a bit of a hand up"
Politician:
"Look - over there! Boat People!"
Aussie:
"Crikey! Well spotted. Better do something about that... now there was something else I wanted to talk about, but I guess you've more important things on your plate at the moment."
Or maybe something like:
Aussie:
"It would be really wise if we spent some of our resource boom dollars on infrastructure as an investment in the future."
Politician:
"Here's the NBN, should be finished by 2020."
Aussie:
"Wow, fast porn! I can't wait... now there was something else I wanted to mention, but I've forgotten."

I could go on, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel (except we don't have guns). Pathetic and pitiable isn't it.

I have no issue with a crackdown on illegal OMGs, but the Vets? Ulysses? God Squad? Having to ring the cops before you can go for a fang with your two or more mates? This is friggin insane!

Murdercycles, they are dangerous, let's just make them illegal and confiscate them, we can melt them down and sell the scrap metal to China.

I guess I better shut up before I say what I really think. :x

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Dkt26 said:

Don, believe it or not but they raided Vietnam Veterans MC.
businessmen in motorcycle field, towing, mechanical etc are really panicking that they could be charged under the association bill. It fucked. They walked into a car towing company and demanded all staff details to ascertain who may be a club rider and have them removed from their employment and charged with association. 15 years mandatory sentence for club member. 10 extra mandatory for a senior member (treasurer/Sargent/president).
Truly unbelievable

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"they raided", who are they! and proof would be nice!!

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What do you mean? "They" are the PIGS mate!! Further more, if you don't dog on your friends you receive the mandatory sentencing. Also you can be summoned to appear before the "star Chamber hearings" whereby if you refuse to answer questions to the satisfaction of the CMC on the grounds of incriminating yourself or someone else you are immediately found in contempt and face 6 - 18 months.
proof???
Google it

highdesert said:

ok, so what exactly should the "authorities, the police" be doing to counteract rogue motorcyclists and groups?

granted, initial response is WTF and anger about decent law abiding riders being pulled over...

should the police do "nothing"?

surely they are fed up with complaints from the public about jerks on bikes giving all bikers a bad name

again, what you believe they should be doing differently to respond to what is an obvious problem?

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im sorry man but WTF???????????

this is about the theft of our freedoms and right to talk to whoever the fuck i want!!!!!!!
I am not a patch member nor do i have any interest in becoming one. This is not about that
Anyone who lived in QLd through the last bout of this crap would well know what it was like. Mandatory 25 years for a bit of Pot yet you would get 12 - 15 years for killing the Cop.
The actual published fact is that OMCG is responsible for 0.6% of the crime statistics here. that is ZERO POINT SIX PERCENT!!!
so for that, i get some testosterone filled little cunt with a badge pulling me up and I HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE TO HIM I AM A JOE CITIZEN

This pretty much covers it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptyyd32qxLw&feature=youtube_gdata

im sorry man but WTF???????????

this is about the theft of our freedoms and right to talk to whoever the fuck i want!!!!!!!

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nice rant, seriously

but I was looking for concrete suggestions of how the authorities there could be handling things better

Yes its getting out of control here, the outlaw bikies have been coursing a bit of trouble over here with rivale groups taking there fight with each other in public. they have brought this crack down on themselfs, but every bike rider is taken down with them, I ride for the enjoyment, I'm not a member of any bikie club, but myself and a lot of friends who share the same intrest like to go for a group Sunday ride, we all ride diffrent bikes (Hondas, Harlies, Triumphs etc etc)
we don't want to be pulled up every time we go out on our bikes and be harrased just because we love our bikes and our freedom and of course our friendship that we all have as a small group of bike riders.

2 of my friends went for a ride the other day (on Harlies) they got pulled over by the cops, forced to stand in the hot sun for well over a hour while the pplice did their check up, after the check ups on my friends they started on their bikes, so another 1/2 hour in the hot sun to be told you are OK and you can get on your way, by the way your exhaust are a bit loud, we will let you off this time, what a waste of police time and effort, don't they have better things to do, like chasing the real crims, the police are sitting outside Tatto shops and harrasing customers when they leave the shop, you were in there for a long time, dur, its a Tatto shop and Tattos take a long time to do.

All this has done is to make the Outlaw clubs go underground, when the clubies wore their collours the cops knew who they were, but now it has made it harder for them to know, then you get the reports Bikies are going to shoot police, is this just another ploy for the pollies to arm the police with hi powered wepons and more police powers, when will it stop before someone gets hurt.

Just my two bobs worth

Ashley

Sounds like you guys need to add a bill of rights to your constitution. Not that we don't have idiot ideologs that are getting a bit out of control here too.