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Guido said:
Guido,
You just made a big assumption...you assumed a sale price in Australia is the same as a sale price in the US, which may be wrong, check with the US importer for a price....
That Australian price may include local taxes that you may not pay....of course you may pay other taxes ;-)
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Hey,
Yes, 2,695.00 is the current price. All of the 850 heads were sold before the last batch was completed. Some 750's are still available.
I am taking orders to secure heads from the next batch that should be here late spring, early summer.
The price from the next batch will be the same unless something goes crazy with the exchange rate. After that, we will see an increase I have been told. This is something that is very hard to control as the production runs are small and when the company that makes the heads see an increase in their costs, they will pass those on down the line. Unfortunately its usually the end user that takes that hit.
The head is truly a great piece of work and knowing that Fullauto isn't making a lot of money producing these I just hope that he sells enough to motivate him to keep making them available.
Thanks
Matt / Colorado Norton Works
Yes, 2,695.00 is the current price. All of the 850 heads were sold before the last batch was completed. Some 750's are still available.
I am taking orders to secure heads from the next batch that should be here late spring, early summer.
The price from the next batch will be the same unless something goes crazy with the exchange rate. After that, we will see an increase I have been told. This is something that is very hard to control as the production runs are small and when the company that makes the heads see an increase in their costs, they will pass those on down the line. Unfortunately its usually the end user that takes that hit.
The head is truly a great piece of work and knowing that Fullauto isn't making a lot of money producing these I just hope that he sells enough to motivate him to keep making them available.
Thanks
Matt / Colorado Norton Works
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If the are selling out it means theres a good demand. Or not enough supply. Econ 100.
Guido said:
There are a lot of nice old used Norton heads out there that are a great alternative to this sort of thing. I recently bought a 1960s 750 Norton head off a known parts dealer for $200 that was %100 complete including rocker covers. It does not look like it has ever been apart or had a valve job since it was new. I am pretty sure if I carefully install some new guides and valves in it and freshen up the seat and valve faces I could put it on a bike and get many tens of thousands of miles out of it.
I don't think anyone really needs a $2700 cylinder head on their Norton, it is just a nice toy for wealthy people to play with, and that includes AHRMA racing, which is certainly just people with extra money playing with toys.
Even in vintage racing, if you watch Doug MacRae's video where he and his powerful 750 Norton run no better than Dave Roper on a 350cc single cylinder Harley, you might see you could make a safe bet that if Roper was on a Norton 750 with a stock cylinder head he would have been able to do just as well.........reality check?
If you go by fun per dollar a stock Norton that is well set up supplies the goods.
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If anyone is trying to inject any logic into motorcycling they are more deluded than you know who here. So forget anything but how happy you can afford or want to afford to be. Thank goodness I got a lot of my stuff used and you can't ignore that prior to the new age hi end stuff there were still some dam potent and lasting Commando power plants. Thankgoodness we have lived long enough to have such cheap trills available compared to what it take$ for similar G thrills in lessor breeds. If ya count inflation then FullAuto's and most other stuff is a bargain compared to how many weekends left to use it up.
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beng said:
Beng,
Plenty of 750 heads available .....I agree. However 850 heads are hard to find. I know of several people who spent up to 1K for an 850 head only to find out that it wasn't usable due to fractures. Ask Jim Comstock how many 850 heads he has on the shelf that are unrepairable.
I am not saying that the Fullauto head is for everyone but the fact that it is available is great for those that want a head that is far beyond the quality and performance of a std head.
Matt / Colorado Norton Works
In my daily parts hunting, I have procured a few 750 heads, all in the $200- $300 range, complete, good exhaust threads, ready to clean, service and go.
As for 850 heads, not so much, the ones I find are all clapped out, and the ones that are not go for big $$$.
So I do see a need for the Fullauto heads, but the price still deters many people. I can see why they cost as much, but for most of us out of reach.
For that money most people can get a complete rebuild able bike.
As for 850 heads, not so much, the ones I find are all clapped out, and the ones that are not go for big $$$.
So I do see a need for the Fullauto heads, but the price still deters many people. I can see why they cost as much, but for most of us out of reach.
For that money most people can get a complete rebuild able bike.
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Mark said:
Mark,
If you take off a stock head and bolt a Fullauto in it's place you will notice the increased power. Of course you could you spend 2600 dollars on doing a performance head rebuild on your good stock head and have some left for other mods and get more performance increase than just bolting on a Fullauto head. But then you wouldn't have the added durability you will get from the Fullauto head. They are thicker and stronger where it counts.
I have also had a customer recently with a cracked 850-RH4 head that purchased a replacement from e-bay and found it was cracked also. No warranty was stated. At that rate it would not take too long to be in the Fullauto price range and he was wishing he had gone ahead with the Fullauto.
For the 850 engines the RH10 head supply is getting pretty thin and buying a used RH4 is pretty risky unless the seller is willing to provide a no-crack guarantee. That was the main reason for making the Fullauto head available and why Ken sells the 850 heads as fast as he can get them. Jim
If the goal is cheap horsepower, then find a good used modern litre sport bike. I bought a 160 hp Triumph Daytona that is in almost new condition (9500miles, one elderly owner) for the price of a FullAuto head and some lightweight pistons. The reliable power levels are unobtainable by any modified Norton engine, even if you use an open wallet to purchase the best of the best leaving no trace of original Norton in the engine. And these bikes can run up to 100,000 miles without opening up the engine and still use no oil between changes. I almost hate to say it, but it is a lovely thing to ride. My only complaint is that putt putting along in top gear shows 85 mph on the speedo, feels like about 40 on the Norton. This may prove to be a problem.
So Hobot is correct, the whole pursuit of speed on an old bike is totally illogical, but it sure is fun!
Glen
So Hobot is correct, the whole pursuit of speed on an old bike is totally illogical, but it sure is fun!
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Maybe there is some sense to it . I know I have a lot more fun making my old Norton fast and riding it hard, even if it isn't really fast by today's standards.
I rode an FJ for a couple years [till I had one point left on my license] I suspect if I would have kept riding it I would have lost one of the big L's sooner or later [license,liberty or life]. Now back to nothing faster than my Norton and I am happy. Jim
I rode an FJ for a couple years [till I had one point left on my license] I suspect if I would have kept riding it I would have lost one of the big L's sooner or later [license,liberty or life]. Now back to nothing faster than my Norton and I am happy. Jim
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Mark said:
Maybe read the previous pages of this thread?
I read the thread, but thanks for your post swoosh, it was very informative. :roll:
so..... due to the scarcity of good 850 heads,
the basic idea of supply and demand economics would dictate that Fullauto can justify a higher price for their products.
Their superiority over stock heads could also bring a higher purchase price, but then again, so could the exclusivity, the novelty, the "bling" factor.
I was interested in which (or what combination) was the determining factor in the pricing.
If anyone would know the benefits of these reproduction heads, I would say that person would be comnoz.
His reply that the castings are thicker where required was what I was curious about.
Performance? well....... I guess that could be described as either making the bike faster OR making it more durable.
as that old racing axiom " to finish first...... first you must finish" comes to mind.
Durability is a good thing and obviously comes at a price.
so..... due to the scarcity of good 850 heads,
the basic idea of supply and demand economics would dictate that Fullauto can justify a higher price for their products.
Their superiority over stock heads could also bring a higher purchase price, but then again, so could the exclusivity, the novelty, the "bling" factor.
I was interested in which (or what combination) was the determining factor in the pricing.
If anyone would know the benefits of these reproduction heads, I would say that person would be comnoz.
His reply that the castings are thicker where required was what I was curious about.
Performance? well....... I guess that could be described as either making the bike faster OR making it more durable.
as that old racing axiom " to finish first...... first you must finish" comes to mind.
Durability is a good thing and obviously comes at a price.
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