TVS Future

Voodooo · Wednesday at 4:49 PM

Norton588 said:
There are quite a few electric motorcycle manufacturers, notably Zero but also Energica and Lightning. I would barely include Harley because of the ridiculous price tag.

How can you exclude Harley not having a all electric motorcycle only because you don’t like the cost? In my opinion Harley makes the best looking electric motorcycle. Doesn’t matter if you like the price or not, it’s electric.

Voodooo · Wednesday at 4:51 PM

Norton588 said:
There are quite a few electric motorcycle manufacturers, notably Zero but also Energica and Lightning. I would barely include Harley because of the ridiculous price tag.

Zero, Energica and others are not major motorcycle brands. I clearly said the only major manufacturer. Harley-Davidson is the ONLY major manufacturer making electric “motorcycles”.
Triump, Honda, Suzuki, etc are not manufacturing electric motorcycles, not like Harley. Harley has been for a few years now.

Madnorton · Thursday at 1:03 AM

Suggest some need to read the 'major' names monthly and annual sales figures, they suddenly don't seem that major, HD and Suzuki lag behind Royal Enfield in the UK in terms of volume sales. A big name does not mean big sales volume.

Voodooo · Thursday at 6:33 AM

Madnorton said:
Suggest some need to read the 'major' names monthly and annual sales figures, they suddenly don't seem that major, HD and Suzuki lag behind Royal Enfield in the UK in terms of volume sales. A big name does not mean big sales volume.

You’re missing the point. Do you honestly think Zero, Energica, lightning are “major” brands? Hardly.

Im by far a Harley fan boy, but Harley is a major brand
My main statement said that the only major brand making or offering a electric bike is Harley. I don’t understand why this is so hard to understand.
As I said, no other gas combustion motorcycle company is offering electric motorcycles yet. Not at the level of the Harley live wire.

Honda dominates the global market and they do not offer a electric “street motorcycle”. Motorcycle not scooter.
Nor does Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Triumph, Ducati etc.

Let’s see what the global sales are for the top 5 or 10 brands. I know Royal is a big seller, but globally I don’t believe it to be in the top 5.

Madnorton · 2021-07-23T00:44:09-0600

Not confused, HD is a well known name, but not major brand as TVS motor, Hero and Bajaj are major and rank higher in sales volume. Since May 2021 Livewire is now a totally independent company from HD, for some reason HD have split it out from the main company, now livewire is to HD what Norton is to TVS.

Voodooo · 2021-07-23T07:14:04-0600

Madnorton said:
Not confused, HD is a well known name, but not major brand as TVS motor, Hero and Bajaj are major and rank higher in sales volume. Since May 2021 Livewire is now a totally independent company from HD, for some reason HD have split it out from the main company, now livewire is to HD what Norton is to TVS.

You are still missing my point.

No MAJOR BRAND MAKES A ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE. ONLY HD.

TVS dose not make a “electric motorcycle”.
a scooter is not the same as a motorcycle.

Triumph, Honda, TVS, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Ducati, KTM, etc do not offer a electric motorcycle as of yet. These are all major brands that have for many years made gas powered motorcycles. And as of yet do not offer an electric version of a full sized bike.

You keep saying TVS is a major brand and I’m not disagreeing that it’s not. But to say Harley isn’t is a joke.

Show me a “major branded” electric “motorcycle” that is now available to purchase. And I mean from a company that also previously only offered gas powered motorcycles.

Madnorton · 2021-07-23T07:52:01-0600

Harley does no longer makes the livewire, as of May this year livewire the company make it.
Look at global motorcycle manufacturers, HD does not even make top 10, even though top seller in the US it sells a third of all machines sold there. I wouldn't call a company that is not in the top ten manufacturers globally a major brand.

grandpaul · 2021-07-23T08:08:16-0600

Madnorton said:
Harley does no longer makes the livewire, as of May this year livewire the company make it.
Look at global motorcycle manufacturers, HD does not even make top 10, even though top seller in the US it sells a third of all machines sold there. I wouldn't call a company that is not in the top ten manufacturers globally a major brand.

Not to put too fine a point on it, your facts relate to comparison which includes 3rd world countries that have many millions of very small scooters / moped type bikes. Thise are produced by a very small number of factories that are in that celebrated "top 10".

I know, TECHNICALLY that puts HD "out" of the top 10, but it's a heck of a stretch to say they aren't a "major brand".

Further, I believe HD still technically owns the "Livewire" brand, so...

(this from a guy who has never been an HD fan, and ESPECIALLY not an electric vehicle fan)

Voodooo · 2021-07-23T20:02:44-0600

Madnorton said:
Harley does no longer makes the livewire, as of May this year livewire the company make it.
Look at global motorcycle manufacturers, HD does not even make top 10, even though top seller in the US it sells a third of all machines sold there. I wouldn't call a company that is not in the top ten manufacturers globally a major brand.

With all due respect, are you fucking drunk? Or high? It is a Harley manufacturer product. That’s like saying ford doesn’t make the mustang. The mustang is its own line of vehicle made by ford.
the Harley live wire is still a Harley product and using the live wire as a brand is because they are also offering another model of electric bikes soon to come. Holy hell.

TVS, hero, Honda etc also combine all the sales of every 2 wheeled bike. That includes scooter, mopeds, dirt bikes, adventure bikes etc.
Harley makes now 3 types of bikes. Street bikes, adventure bikes and a electric line of bikes.

if you can’t understand that HD is the only MAJOR BRAND OF MOTORCYCLE THAT MAKES THE ONLY ELECTRIC BIKE BY A COMPANY THAT “ALSO” makes gas powered motorcycles, then I can’t explain it any clearly.

grandpaul · 2021-07-24T07:17:55-0600

Voodooo said:
With all due respect, are you fucking drunk? Or high?

Easy there big fella!!!