961 ECU Support

SCS-Delta said:
Hi BritTwit

Yes the original ECU can be unlocked and upgraded to 'Storm 2' specification however it needs to be sent back to us in the UK for this. The cost of the unlock and upgrade is £250+VAT(where applicable)
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Great. Thanks for responding.
Can you explain what Storm 2 spec is?
 
SgtUSAF80 said:
Thank you Matthew for your presence on this forum! I have to ask though...assuming that this SXCar software program/cable combo is the same as what Norton and the dealers had, how is it going to make my bike run any better now that I have it in my hands? Neither of the most common programs ( #77 or #91) were/are ideal. I have upgraded all the sensors and my bike has the Norton short open slip-ons and retains the Lambda sensors.
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With an unlocked ECU and software you can take your 961 to a dyno tuner.
There the bike can be dialed-in by the tuner.
You will have your own custom map created by the tuner.
 
SgtUSAF80 said:
Thank you Matthew for your presence on this forum! I have to ask though...assuming that this SXCar software program/cable combo is the same as what Norton and the dealers had, how is it going to make my bike run any better now that I have it in my hands? Neither of the most common programs ( #77 or #91) were/are ideal. I have upgraded all the sensors and my bike has the Norton short open slip-ons and retains the Lambda sensors.
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Hi SgtUSAF80

The honest answer is that it wont! We are are only ensuring that Norton customers have the tools needed to keep their bikes running as well as if the Factory support was still in place.

I have seen customers who have spent a lot of time changing components (idle control systems) to 'fix' the issues the bikes have but that is a matter for another thread.
 
BritTwit said:
Great. Thanks for responding.
Can you explain what Storm 2 spec is?
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This is the ECU that an unlocked Norton becomes - you would need to select this in the install of SXTune to see the various options available for that hardware revision.
 
Mathew
Thanks I now understand why my subsequent queries went unanswered you must be getting slammed with questions. All my questions have now been answered and I just received a notice from UPS that my package is already in Canada and Taxes are due. I cant wait to get into this. ALL I need is weather to get to work on it. There are 2 members of the forum iwilson and lcrken who have done a lot of work to understand one problem through these threads. IT jumps around a bit but well worth the time to find and read. Thanks to all. Kevin
 
krobi said:
Mathew
Thanks I now understand why my subsequent queries went unanswered you must be getting slammed with questions. All my questions have now been answered and I just received a notice from UPS that my package is already in Canada and Taxes are due. I cant wait to get into this. ALL I need is weather to get to work on it. There are 2 members of the forum iwilson and lcrken who have done a lot of work to understand one problem through these threads. IT jumps around a bit but well worth the time to find and read. Thanks to all. Kevin
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Hi Kevin

Thank you for the order - please feel free to reach out and we will help where we can.

We don't usually post on public forums, however there are a lot of bikes with our hardware fitted, but now without the factory support a lot of information is no longer readily available. Placing the information here should ensure these bikes are serviceable for years to come.
 
All we need now is for Omex to pop up and offer the same service now they do not have their hands tied.
 
Welcome to the forum, Matt. You and your associates should be a real asset for 961 owners.

For those who might be interested, I'd like to put in a good word for Matt and his associates. He is the one I mostly dealt with at SCS-Delta when I had my original ECU unlocked, and also purchased the newer Delta 400 ECU, back in 2018. He and his associates were very helpful in answering the questions I had as I started working with the systems. I originally had the bike running pretty well with the Delta 400 ECU, using the map they supplied with the ECU. I have since swapped back to the modified original Typhoon ECU, just to see what I could do with it. I've been successfully making changes to the ECU settings and modifying the factory maps using their SXTune software, downloaded from their site, along with their CAN-USB and OBD interface cable and box. The bike is running quite well now, but I'm still making changes to fine tune it.

The other forum member, Ian Wilson (iwilson), who has also had his ECU unlocked by SCS-Delta, has done a lot of tuning work with it, including, if I recall correctly, some dyno time. He has posted some of his results here, and searching should turn them up. Now it looks like Kevin (krobi) is joining the club. I expect others will follow suit. Should be interesting. I'll post whatever settings and maps I settle on, eventually:rolleyes:

Ken
 
Welshrugby said:
Tony, perhaps a nice video of how to use it for "some" of us who are clueless about such things
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I will post what I learn for sure. Right now I (we) are just in a survival mode moving forward. Until we learn what will happen to Norton or the future owners if any . For you owners with the newer bikes getting set up with OMEX interface cables and software should be on your list.
 
lcrken said:
Welcome to the forum, Matt. You and your associates should be a real asset for 961 owners.

For those who might be interested, I'd like to put in a good word for Matt and his associates. He is the one I mostly dealt with at SCS-Delta when I had my original ECU unlocked, and also purchased the newer Delta 400 ECU, back in 2018. He and his associates were very helpful in answering the questions I had as I started working with the systems. I originally had the bike running pretty well with the Delta 400 ECU, using the map they supplied with the ECU. I have since swapped back to the modified original Typhoon ECU, just to see what I could do with it. I've been successfully making changes to the ECU settings and modifying the factory maps using their SXTune software, downloaded from their site, along with their CAN-USB and OBD interface cable and box. The bike is running quite well now, but I'm still making changes to fine tune it.

The other forum member, Ian Wilson (iwilson), who has also had his ECU unlocked by SCS-Delta, has done a lot of tuning work with it, including, if I recall correctly, some dyno time. He has posted some of his results here, and searching should turn them up. Now it looks like Kevin (krobi) is joining the club. I expect others will follow suit. Should be interesting. I'll post whatever settings and maps I settle on, eventually:rolleyes:

Ken
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This is probably what I am going to do . Get a SCS Delta 400 ECU and have it for the future. So I am interested in what you Norton 961 ECU pioneers are doing . Thanks for your help !
 
Voodooo said:
Where were you guys when everyone was asking about the ecu months and years ago?
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I had no difficulty dealing with them direct and they were very helpful, but you wouldn't expect them to have been posting on a public forum back then - look at the problems Richard-7 had. Let's hope Omex are as accommodating for those that have their ECUs.
 
Thanks Matthew, great news.
I expect that OBD leads will be flying out the door, just ordered mine.

And just to wander off topic, sounds like about 800 bikes manufactured over a 4 year period??
 
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You see that??? I knew someone was going to step up to the plate. Just didn't know it would happen so soon. KEEP YA BIKES!!!

Thank you very much for diving in and sharing this news with us Matthew.
 
As the regulars know I've had an SCS Delta 400 for quite sometime now. Matthew and Simon of SCS were helpful in answering a load of questions as I figured out how to use the SXTune software. Would have been a load easier if I'd had an engine that was working properly to experiment on! Often changes I made did not have the expected outcome due to issues with the engines design, which was very confusing at the time!

The ECU cannot fix the mechanical design flaws - idle air control system and oil breather system for eg. However once you have access to the ECU you can for example just switch the o2 sensors off in the software rather than buying the o2 eliminator plugs which don't always work. You can see if sensors are producing valid data which makes fault finding a lot quicker.

Be very, very wary of playing with anything else in the software unless you're confident you understand what you're doing. I ended up doing a number of EFI tuning courses with https://www.hpacademy.com/

Bottom line is my bike is as reliable as any modern engine, starts first go, idles perfectly and I no longer feel naked riding it without a full toolkit on hand!
 
Is there any horse power or torque to be had by just tuning the stock ecu?
What are the limits?
Also, is it possible to tune for velocity stacks and eliminate the stock air box? I have a dominator and would like to try velocity stacks, mainly for aesthetics.
 
Mathew - the PDF download for setting the idle concludes with "..if the idle valve is working correctly, the throttle body needs to be replaced."
Do you have any info on the potential issue with some throttle bodies?
 
Voodooo said:
Is there any horse power or torque to be had by just tuning the stock ecu?
What are the limits?
Also, is it possible to tune for velocity stacks and eliminate the stock air box? I have a dominator and would like to try velocity stacks, mainly for aesthetics.
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The stock calibration was developed to perform on a low volume production bike with Norton's tolerances! As such there may be some small gains on some bikes, but equally others may already be at their limit.
 
ntst8 said:
Mathew - the PDF download for setting the idle concludes with "..if the idle valve is working correctly, the throttle body needs to be replaced."
Do you have any info on the potential issue with some throttle bodies?
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This was the procedure set up for Norton bikes who had parts on the shelf - it would be easiest for them to replace the parts and return to the supplier as faulty. For owners I suspect some time to release and reset the throttle plates may get them to 'within tolerance'. Note however that there was no balance adjustment on the bodies so the cylinder balance is reliant on this set up being perfect.
 
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