The new anti association laws and bikie crack down

Pete, Take it from an old speeding motorcyclist - never get smart with the police. They are typically dumb and have one answer they often use for everything. In Victoria, there is one commonly held wrong opinion. People think that if the police are treating them unfairly, they should call for their sargeant. That officer will always support his men. The correct person to ask for is the Duty Officer. The situation is that he must attend, and he/or she is relatively independent.
I had to laugh years ago. I was working with a young bloke who had bought himself a very nice Suzuki Hustler. I told him that if he saw the police while he was speeding, he should brake and head for the kerb. He rode to Phillip Island, while he was going a bit fast saw the police and made a run for it. He turned up into a dirt road and fell off. While he was picking himself up off the road a big policeman jumped out of his car and gave him a good kicking. (Sorry, please forgive my sense of humour, I know it's bad).

YES there may be a difference between uk and aussie cops,the point was have a witness or two with camera phones,the cops are frightened of seeing them selves on you tube ,that hyas great clout that has. good old internet !!.
In the uk all cops carry a writing pad book with numbered pages,when asked on what speed you were doing,do not admit any guilt,but let him give you the riot act then ask him if you are under caution,if he says yes or no,get him to get his book out and make him write all that you tell him verbertim, make it clear, but do not admit to breaking the law,tell him to put a line under his writing then make him sign it.
This can get you off, if he is on his own that is.but watch out if you are a local,he will get his mates to make life hell.

In Victoria, that can get you into trouble ?!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-05/v ... th/5431690

Bit sad that the UN no less has to kickstart them into action, all these years later...

I have only been pulled up once since the crack down but that was for speeding I found out al long time agoe is to not upset the cops, if you say hi to them and talk to them the way you like to be spocken to you will have no problems with them, but anyone riding a Harley are the ones getting pulled over as the cops know the outlaw clubs all ride them, they don't even look at me on my Norton or Triumph.

Ashley

I would never try to do that internet thing with them. It is like poking a bikie gang leader in the eye and laughing at him. They know where you live. Whenever I get pulled up for speeding, I always talk to them as though I know and respect them. A while ago I was doing 140 KPH in a 110 KPH zone, and as I rounded a curve in the highway, there he was sitting in the crossover in the median strip with the speed camera. I simply pulled over quietly to the side of the road and waited for him. Because I spoke to him civilly and told him that I didn't know I was speeding until I saw him and checked my speed, and he did not have to chase me, I was sent off without the ticket.
Make them chase you and get smart and you are in business.

Rohan said:

In Victoria, that can get you into trouble ?!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-05/v ... th/5431690

Bit sad that the UN no less has to kickstart them into action, all these years later...

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I was hoping none of you guys had seen that. It doesn't happen often, however when it does the fellas stick together. The worst thing you can have on your record is 'assault police' - you will cop it every time. NSW is worse, Victoria is kiddies stuff. Our convict/red-coat heritage shows through up there. Queensland police are rat-bags. Mates of mine were detained in a country town without charge years ago and forced to work around the town - had to do the jail-break to escape. You need a sense of humour. They are usually only a minor irritation - like anopheles mosquitoes..

This was the place to find out about police. I had a beautiful childhood. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEXjtgTJe6k

I ride to work every day in Brisneyland, never been hassled by the cops.
So do lots of mates, they've never been hassled either.
Cops are people too, good ones and cockheads. They are doing what the lying politicians tell them to do, that's the laws they dream up.
I don't love cops, I don't hate them, and I'm not a cop. I wouldn't do their job.
I speed (can't help it) been known to work on my old bikes, and ride them, and life is good.
I haven't seen any so called bikies since the crackdown and I don't care because it doesn't effect me.
I don't deal drugs or guns. Society can't have people being shot and bashed at anytime like was happening.

Graeme

I think that girl who the police bashed in Somerville must have really provoked them. My mate lives there, and I've been there quite often. It is in the boonies at the back of Mornington, and some of the locals are pretty feral. I'm pretty sure it wasn't bike related. I indirectly know about a few of the fellas down there and they don't seem to be too bad. Many have their own rural businesses. However country kids are always at risk due to their peer group and boredom, and they are not too smart.

Cops deal with very mean and nasty people and they don't know if you will turn into one so must alwasys expect the worse and may be on hair trigger mode after a prior encounter on what ever, so if alone best just act for best survival and deal with in in court. Peter James has good advice to be polite and official in requests on whether arrested or free to go with record of police question and your response. May piss cops off but not same and spitting in face or yelling-resisting.
Rohan I got a lot out of you UN decision article as I'm in process of making Int'l case out of recent no driver license charge but nothing else, so pure jurisdictional contract Admiralty law issues that may lead to final solution on last hang up as freeman traveling and gathering on the land. I am not seeking monetary damages or punishment but much deeper things so can't be stiffed like the mean wild girl did with a judgement that goes nowhere. I will have to go outside US as don't expect fair treatment within it. Safe Journey's

Our police carry guns, however guns are not readily available to the general public without controls. We've had instances where police have been shot dead, the reaction is very swift and concentrated. Under normal circumstances our guys are not trigger happy. In Victoria a few years ago a report recommended that mental patients were better off if integrated into the community than being institutionalised. Our Premier started closing the mental hospitals and schools to balance the budget. When Police were called to deal with a displaced mental patient who'd lost their marbles, they were quickly shooting them. It became politically embarrassing. These days the police perform a risk assessment before shooting a mental patient.

This spirit of the times comes from on high down then from the bottom up. Stuff like interest rates, inflation, business development, infra structure, licensing and favored groups and forced frauds. Scriptures of various faiths say this is how it is on Earth so seek a better after life. I lucked out Miami was a hot spot for Metropolitan 1313 ground zero politics and international forced over crowding with nil Federal money to support it so local economy turned on its head, peace officers became Law Enforcement and gangs flourished on the smuggling to continue the south Fla centuries old tradition. Here's short study on delinquency predictors the powers that be couldn't exist without. Hm could of been me.
Safe Journeys
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-05-m ... uency.html

It has become interesting around here lately. Some of the biggies have been falling. Some have really big public personas with surprising political affiliations. I'm just amazed that our system has suddenly become more effective in weeding out the weasels. It is no use becoming cynical, all we need do is recognize the indications and become more observant. 'Loose lips sink ships'.

Some twenty + years ago I had a visit from an elder cousin, who had been a very senior member of the UK Met Police, he had just completed a review into the various police forces in Australia, he told me the following.
1/ Police are people too
2/ Corruption exists in all police forces, it's the degree that's important (remember this was the 80s)
3/ All police react very very violently and directly if one of their number is injured, if the police are armed they will shoot back
4/ At the time (80s) the Queensland police were incompetent and corrupt ("damn stupid" was a phrase I remember) to a significant extent, similarly the NSW police, but not quite so incompetent and more corrupt
5/ The South Australian police were pretty good generally. However if I wanted to spend time in the lockup, and get beaten up in the cells he told me which police stations' area to get arrested in.

After his visit came the various investigations that uncovered a lot of the incompetence and corruption.
cheers
wakeup

in another Hemisphere in another era but reveals the baseline that supports gov't policy against its people... <7 min.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/sNOsIB5VMSQ

Steve Australians preWW2 had a different mentality. Our army has always been a volunteer Army, except for when we sent the kids to Vietnam. It the same political mob we now have problems with which conscripted them. I've read about the bonus army - our vets would not cop that, there would be real problems created with a lot of initiative. From time to time I've had a bit to do with our regular army. The mentality is not what you would expect - they are pretty insubordinate. In the late twenties we had a police strike in Victoria, and it was the vets who helped suppress the riots. Our old WW1 soldiers were extremely ferocious shock troops. They had a reputation for taking no prisoners when their blood was up - we don't usually talk about that. The WW2 Germans were a bit anxious about having to fight our guys again. One thing I would point out - if you are fighting for democracy, is it OK to conscript people to join the fight ?
Another thing - 'if you have a victim's mentality, you will be a victim'. We don't really worry too much about police, originally many of us were convicts , the other half were red-coats and it has proceeded from there.

acotrel said:

Another thing - 'if you have a victim's mentality, you will be a victim'. We don't really worry too much about police, originally many of us were convicts , the other half were red-coats and it has proceeded from there.

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Except in South Australia, which was settled by people who wanted to come here, not at Their Majestys' Pleasure. It's interesting that many South Australians have a measure of respect for the police which isn't always there in the so called "convict States".
cheers
wakeup

We did not have convicts in Victoria either. Whenever I go to Sydney I can tell the difference. I love it up there. It is the last place I would wasn't to live, however it has a really great feel to it. 'Some things are so bad that they are good', Sydney is not that bad, however the two sides of society are really obvious if you are not used to it. Sydney police are openly playing the game, however Queensland police are just nasty rat-bags. The police in Tasmania often snore with their eyes open when they are directing traffic, that is the nicest place in Australia as long as you don't want a job. I've never seen police in South Australia, however years ago a couple of my mates on their way to a race meeting at Mallala, copped the biggest fines for unloading a manx miles from anywhere during the night and thundering along at over 100MPH for about 50 miles in the dark. They took turns riding it and the owner came belting around a bend and found himself into a small town. He cut the speed immediately and idled through the town. The utility truck coming the other way did the screaming U turn - they threw the book at him. In those days (1960) 1500 pounds was a lot of money. Too serious and prim and proper those guys - no sense of humour.

Funnily enough the fastest I have ever been passed was on my my to Bordertown, about 300km South of Adelaide. Traveling on the back roads at about 140-150 kph (which is why I was on a back road....) what appeared to be a full race bike passed me, I reckon he was doing well over 200kph. Some way down the road, he was stopped at the side of the road, so I stopped to see if he needed a hand. He didn't. His bike was a Suzuki 1100 (??) based beast, he reckoned he was still in one of the intermediate gears when he passed me, he said he and his mates regularly used this piece of road for setting race bikes up. All you had to look out for was the police helicopter, aka "pigs in space" he said. He told me that the helicopter had seen one of his mates, but they dismissed it as "no bike could go that fast".
cheers
wakeup

acotrel said:

We did not have convicts in Victoria either. .

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Victorians may like to think there are no convicts in their ancestry and bureaucracy, but in fact history says it differently.
The first european settlement in Vic in 1803 was convicts - and their jailers.
The locals objected, violently, and soon cleared them off !!
A dozen or so later convict ships were destined for Vic, and unloaded in Port Melbourne or Geelong.
Mostly in the 1840s.
Thats several thousand convicts. And their jailers, and mindset.

And of course, all manner of folks and desperados arrived with the gold rushes.
Associated with that, the Eureka Stockade incident occured in Vic too -
the miners strike, and a rebellion against the bureaucracy, a call to arms, and the devastating police action against them.
And the subsequent politcial reforms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_Rebellion

From afar, its tough to tell if the quality of the inhabitants/bureaucracy has improved much at all.
Judging by the accounts of the activities of Simon Overland, the recently chucked out Police Commissioner, perhaps not.

Its perhaps also worth adding that the UK sent convicts to Australia when the previous dumping grounds in the USA etc expressed some oppostion to this practice continuing. The wild Irishman legends were thus well established all around the world over time by then. !!

But we diverge, as usual...