New laws in Australia gone mad
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I thought it was going to be the Tr*nsf*rm*r video! :wink:
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Move it to Motorcycle Related Discussion if need too, it is so important at the moment to Aussie riders wheather they are Commando riders or any other riders, if the QLD goverment get away with these laws it will affect ever other state in Australia, most states being under control with Liberal Goverments they will follow these laws if Mr Newman gets away with it.
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Thats precisely it - and one part of the upcoming high court legal challenge to these laws. ?
Declaring folks guilty, no evidence or proof required, is circumventing 1000+ years of english legal system practice -and the Romans before that.
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat = Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
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Ok now ya in my main area of study and global discussions past 25 yr. Its reason I officially returned the < in this STATE > < Driver > < License >, before they were associated with SSN so never got into the digital data bases that last forever and shared everywhere. If one does get charged with being a bad biker you may have to learn to read < legalese > and definitions of who-what is charging you and who-what had authority to create such charges and what
< people > or <persons > they actually apply to or not. May find that the actual Act/Statue/Code/Regulation is not being followed as intended-written and then have to learn about how to prevent or punish ignorant officials or an group of evil ones cooperating. One of the basic natural rights is the right of people to gather, such as worship, family affairs and political campaigning. Another is self defense to match the threat from private or public arenas.
This post did leave me pensive last time in city after mid night and had to pee in WalMart restroom so did glance around as athletic fella of color came in and one hand on a blade I've escaped with since age 7. Until Katrina dumped that New Orleans bunch all around we never had to pay first to pump, since then all the bigger towns require it. Can still pump first in my county and I almost never take keys out of ignition and ain't locked office in a decade. I didn't pack heat on most my cycling but after interviewing so many long distant riders and finding my best ride buddy did and more common than not in Arkansas, well then I don't have to eh. If ya do get cornered explode on the main man which will either shock the shit out of em so much they get confused and ya get away or they laugh their asses off so much they like ya spirit and spare ya. A bit of warrior to warrior man on man attitude w/o calling them bad names also changes the mind set, but no defense against the good ole sucker punch from hodilum with or w/o a gun and a badge.
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Yeah wasn't the color actually just a significant size stranger behind me in public place with recent report of the knockout game and my own events trapped by white boys with chip on shoulder. Married a Mexican beauty and hung out more with the Guatemalans than skin heads in jail teasing agreeing their bronze skin was better than my shitty Irish complexion. Hell if I'd tried to live in Ozarks before most the last generation red necks-hillbillies died out I'd likely get shut out at business and even home burnt down. A city gal that didn't fit in our little village had lug nuts removed from wheel and trash thrown in small yard etc, so don't pull the racial card as my motivation to get along or get away. It is unrealistic not to recognize the racial motivations of others though. About most dangerous place, including being attacked with wife and mother in law was in Paris Pigalle - Moulin Rouge district of northern European genetics and behavior. Movie like event to escape with car surrounded then blocked, whippers torn off and glass about to be bashed in and car tipped over with many more piling out of every hole to take part. 4 tourists died the week prior I found out later. All travel out side of bedroom can be risky.
Oh yeah when a village local befriended me here and found out i was expanding my after dark off hi way riding on Peel I was warned away from Devils Backbone till introduced, which turned out to be more a literal sniffing out by hill folk in middle of night in middle of a road, than speaking or asking questions. more like them being told by my friend, He's ok, don't bite or feed to hogs.
Oh yeah when a village local befriended me here and found out i was expanding my after dark off hi way riding on Peel I was warned away from Devils Backbone till introduced, which turned out to be more a literal sniffing out by hill folk in middle of night in middle of a road, than speaking or asking questions. more like them being told by my friend, He's ok, don't bite or feed to hogs.
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If these laws were enacted by liberals, they're not very progressive liberals.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/ar ... d=11184549
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/ar ... d=11184549
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Alrighty back on point of Commando stifling subject line. I am confirmed died in the wool NWO conspiracy factualist, so any time I see some big public name associated with some major upsetting decision or scandal, to get the low down I just search the name in the news with Rothschild and the rest is history... time after time after time after time after time ditto ditto with ole Rockefeller and crew too. They ain't acting alone by a long ways but you are on your own about what motivates and guides such powerful clans to influence the zeitgeist about everywhere. Tough times definitely feed an outlaw culture and Govt controls aways based on some simple emergency everyone can relate too one way or another while bigger things going on behind the curtain ... Sheet I'd rather have 4 days of bridge blocked than hunted to prison out the blue.
http://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comme ... straction/
https://www.google.com/#q=campbell%20ne ... rothschild
Oh UgH, my experience with above implies at some point before its somehow resolved, excessive desire to ride a traffic hazard cycle, crave thrills that break reasonable speed limits and noise and gather with other encouragers reenforcing rule breaking behavior, gets a mental illness diagnostic number assigned, then just process ya through medical ocipus before thought to be fit for a trial. What pill was that < color or law >? Don't even think there's a profit to be made handling these cases in courts or otherwise. Be nice or might tip off that someone's concealing evidence in their digestive track...
http://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comme ... straction/
https://www.google.com/#q=campbell%20ne ... rothschild
Oh UgH, my experience with above implies at some point before its somehow resolved, excessive desire to ride a traffic hazard cycle, crave thrills that break reasonable speed limits and noise and gather with other encouragers reenforcing rule breaking behavior, gets a mental illness diagnostic number assigned, then just process ya through medical ocipus before thought to be fit for a trial. What pill was that < color or law >? Don't even think there's a profit to be made handling these cases in courts or otherwise. Be nice or might tip off that someone's concealing evidence in their digestive track...
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A lot of these laws are simply about testing the water to see what will be tolerated. The laws about association were unsuccessful back in the fifties, it is just about trying the same tired old tactics. Finding something new and creative is beyond Australian politicians. The latest has been the rebirth of the 'state aid' debate - government funding for private schools. It was settled long ago, now it is being dragged out again - there is no originality on any of it.
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ludwig said:
OH NO!!!
You've done it now - this thread is certainly doomed :shock:
@ Hobot Steve - I really enjoyed the video - great find! And I'll keep telling my Triumph riding friends that the Norton guy got the girl. Still surprised she didn't kick him out of bed to sort those knackered Concentrics out before she did a Marianne Faithful in those clingy leathers (which I almost didn't notice).
For the star-spotters, I laughed when I saw Eddie Kidd (Britain's answer to Evel Knievel) driving the SUV, and the Norton dude is Ed Tudor Pole... never thought for one minute he'd turn out to be some kind of teddy boy. Just goes to show... :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mANx3L-N0yU
Turn it up loud
Seriously, I've been watching this thread with appalled dismay, and for once I'm grateful that I live where I do - we can't afford Police any more, and certainly not that many in one place!
I don't lurk on the 'other' forums, so I wouldn't have seen this otherwise; a real education.
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I read that there was a past clamp down on OZ motorcyclists, could some one review the circumstances and how long it lasted and what eventually relaxed the attention?
Could some one post the Enabling or Enactment clause that established the authority to issue this 'bad biker' law and also the actual text of the 'law' or what ever they call it.
There's all kinds of ways to deal with traffic stops depending on who-what your understanding is of your standing-status in relation to Govt or rather municipal sub-corporations and hired revenue enforcers' and size of your testosterone producers. Here's a typical example of those who know what's going on with mis-use of authority outside of valid jurisdictions and the multitude of presumptions laid on you w/o telling you so normal lay man approach is a trap, often helped by a BAR card holder also taking his cut. This is a fairly short two part video but pay close attention to the words being used, as legal words are like magic words get em wrong and demo conjured up eats you instead of intended target. When you dig deep enough usually you are classed as enemy of the STATE in some commercial based declared emergency.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibHWwxXWU0
Could some one post the Enabling or Enactment clause that established the authority to issue this 'bad biker' law and also the actual text of the 'law' or what ever they call it.
There's all kinds of ways to deal with traffic stops depending on who-what your understanding is of your standing-status in relation to Govt or rather municipal sub-corporations and hired revenue enforcers' and size of your testosterone producers. Here's a typical example of those who know what's going on with mis-use of authority outside of valid jurisdictions and the multitude of presumptions laid on you w/o telling you so normal lay man approach is a trap, often helped by a BAR card holder also taking his cut. This is a fairly short two part video but pay close attention to the words being used, as legal words are like magic words get em wrong and demo conjured up eats you instead of intended target. When you dig deep enough usually you are classed as enemy of the STATE in some commercial based declared emergency.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibHWwxXWU0
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Snorton74 said:
The Liberal Party is not 'liberal', the name is an obscene attempt to portray themselves as something they are not. The party is conservative, right wing, authoritarian. Until Howard led it, their politicians were able to exercise a 'conscience vote'. These days they all sing to the same hymn book, federally and in every state. In many ways they are very nasty and poisonous. They claim to be good money managers, however they have never achieved much except improve the comfort of the top end of town. Most of our infrastructure and social change has come from the left.
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Steve, if you get stopped by police in Australia you usually don't have a problem unless you get smart. Bikey gang members with tatts and colours are obviously targeted, if they kept their mouths tightly shut and simply asked for the duty officer to attend, they would avoid a lot of trouble.
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Yes I don't want a hassle on the road so conditionally sign ticket to drag out the contests in court, or what is called a court but in US is actually an arm of the Executive Administrative enforcement function of Govt. I let my speed get out of mind last spring coasting down steep Mt. loaded with cargo so car ran smoother than my sense of speed and was putting on brakes to 70ish in 55 posted when trooper popped over the next rise. We had pow pow man to man and he only gave a no DL ticket, which simplified my case but had to hunt up statutes that showed prosecutor was not doing his job so it put the cop and the court clerk in jeopardy of practice of law w/o a license. So they dropped my hot potato - dismissed. Anywho w/o a DL I don't get points on my insurance so just the ticket and no after affects if I just pay em off.
I need to get a radar detector as I've blasted over crests at 120+ on Peel to see a trooper climbing the far side so his mirror only saw road not me who was squealing front tire to bleed off 60+ mph in couple seconds and hang back not to alert him. I got plenty of cop fingers shaken at me or lights flashed a bit but closing speed too fast and area too tight to have a chance to catch me so I nod back but don't slow much if at all. That was on Peel a very special performer so I don't ride hard on other cycles to get much attention as so dam dangerous anyway on them I've found the hard way.
There is world wide revolutions going on w/o blood shed by legal resistance to powers that be.
I need to get a radar detector as I've blasted over crests at 120+ on Peel to see a trooper climbing the far side so his mirror only saw road not me who was squealing front tire to bleed off 60+ mph in couple seconds and hang back not to alert him. I got plenty of cop fingers shaken at me or lights flashed a bit but closing speed too fast and area too tight to have a chance to catch me so I nod back but don't slow much if at all. That was on Peel a very special performer so I don't ride hard on other cycles to get much attention as so dam dangerous anyway on them I've found the hard way.
There is world wide revolutions going on w/o blood shed by legal resistance to powers that be.
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Its a mean trend going on a long time in English speaking countries. I think its a plot form the top with mean banksters at root making commerce more controllable. In too many ways its age old battle of good vs evil. Catch up on how US has militarized internally with declared wars, exactly same legally as WWI and II war powers allow. Its just hit motoryclers sense of freedom at your stage.
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/police ... dley-balko
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Gidday All. hope you are well
the latest news.. On the TV last night, Commandant Blewman appeared with his hand on heart and says his laws will be gone in a maximum of 3 years. with an absolutly straight face, he claimed they were never intended to be permanent. after he has crushed the bikies he says the laws will not be necessary. therefore implying that he may be re-elected with confidence.
Sounds like a back pedal to me responding to a shift in opinion polling.
Make of this what you will. I am NOT a supporter of Newman , his ideaology, or his laws.
there is a song called "" If You Dont Fight You Lose"" by the Aussie band Red Gum. To all motorcyclists in Queensland, this would make a good rallying anthem.
The lyrics are very appropriate.
Queensland was the best place in the world to live once. for lots of reasons, it is not now. Probably slipped to No. 2.
Best wishes Bradley
the latest news.. On the TV last night, Commandant Blewman appeared with his hand on heart and says his laws will be gone in a maximum of 3 years. with an absolutly straight face, he claimed they were never intended to be permanent. after he has crushed the bikies he says the laws will not be necessary. therefore implying that he may be re-elected with confidence.
Sounds like a back pedal to me responding to a shift in opinion polling.
Make of this what you will. I am NOT a supporter of Newman , his ideaology, or his laws.
there is a song called "" If You Dont Fight You Lose"" by the Aussie band Red Gum. To all motorcyclists in Queensland, this would make a good rallying anthem.
The lyrics are very appropriate.
Queensland was the best place in the world to live once. for lots of reasons, it is not now. Probably slipped to No. 2.
Best wishes Bradley
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