Norton Dunstall Cafe on eBay

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Matt Spencer said:
Deserves the lot. Painting the Frame RED. No wonder he cant start it . How much to get back to stock . talk about bad taste ,


As I believe is stated in the eBay write-up, he bought the bike two years ago off eBay. I don't think he painted the frame red.


Bad taste? If it was painted pink and adorned with Winnie The Pooh characters, it would still have more taste than the inane off-topic blathering that you and J.A.W. subject the rest of the board too in your seemingly ceaseless efforts to insult one another.

We used to have a pest that posted here, went by the name of Carbonfibre. It was so much more pleasant when he stopped posting, and then you two decided to pick up where he left off.
 
bill said:
I have yet to figure ouy why any FOOL would remove the chokes on a street bike.


I've always run Amals without the chokes. Never had a problem, although all have had electronic ignitions, and stock coils. Always first kick bikes, and nothing unusual about plug readings at idle.
 
mike996 said:
I have used ebay to buy and sell for many years but have to admit that lately it seems quite expensive to do so with the ebay fees and the Paypal fee. I sold 10k USD of Leica camera gear a couple of months ago and of the 10k and change that it went for, I ended up with 8 and change. IMO, ebay is far better for buyers than it is for sellers. I don't think I would personally buy a vehicle on Ebay, preferring to see it first. OTOH, I bought my Commando unseen from a well known purveyor of brittbikes and was told (by phone, talking to owner of said shop) it was in excellent shape and "suitable for a cross country trip". It turned out that the only thing in excellent shape was the paint. The bike wouldn't run and was a total mess from a safety/assembly point of view. I could not have possibly done worse on ebay. ;)


Are you saying you paid more than 10 percent in fees on a 10K sale? I disbelieve that statement so much I'm not even going to bother checking eBay's current fees.
 
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Are you saying you paid more than 10 percent in fees on a 10K sale? I disbelieve that statement so much I'm not even going to bother checking eBay's current fees.[/quote]
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I got out of Feebay after a blow up with a partner who i was working with, I also sold for some other people too,, most of it worked out okay, but its a LOT of work for small stuff, I got back in a few years back for a favor to a family over an estate and helped liquidate a large collection of machinery, cars, parts, bikes and parts,. Occasionally i sell stuff of my own as well.
I can say since 1999 when i started its a LOT worse, for a while it was great, you could make a lot of money if you worked at it., Ever since the CEO changed and the current idiot and his Disruptive theory took hold its gone to crap, they dont WANT us guys with crusty old motorcycle parts selling them bit by bit, they want to be a amazon or other large retailer, they punish the small guys running a few auctions a week and pushing people to Stores, BIN, fixed price auctions, free shipping, generous return policys the seller pays for, on and on, plus you get F##K'ed on feedback, sorry for the language but there is no other word for it, and that word starts with a really big F and 4 letters.

A seller cant Neg a buyer, so most buyers are reasonable, but you get a percentage who are very abusive, and nothing you can do about it, If you dont have 100% FB you fall off the searchs, with detailed dashboard ratings, you can still get a postive but if not firewall 5s all the way across you still fall off the map for searchs, so no one sees your stuff,
10% is conservative in costs,, most times it s much much higher, ive seen at the end of the day 30 to 40 percent,,

but thats not an absolute and its not black and white, their formulas for fees is actually quite complex, and you have to stay on top of it. I dont have the time or space here to go into an indepth analysis,, but you gotta pay attention. they nickel and dime you to death, its MUCH higher than it used to be. Small sellers get screwed, large sellers running bulk auctions get significant discounts and much lower rates, you might see some sellers running the same auction over and over again with really high BIN or fixed prices, and you might wonder who can they afford to do that week after week, well a small seller might as well give the stuff to charity, but big sellers can basically run those auctions week after week for pennys, and only pay DISCOUNTED fees if they sell, there is no motivation to lower the price to reasonable level.
A lot of people I know who used to do ebay heavily or even for a living have left, Ive had offers to work auctions for others as well and i wont do it with the exception of a non profit i volunteer for but thats only a few auctions per year. I know some current sellers who are locked in, sitting on huge inventorys they borrowed money to get, started a business running them, and now wish they hadnt, its like a curse. Ebay is crazy expensive, and a serious PIA these days, that wont change until a serious competitor shows up and only then will we see significant reforms, rumor was Google might take on Feebay, i wish somebody would.

Feebay tried to buy out, then take over Craigslist just to kill them off. people around the world pledged money to help out CL to protect them, CL stays independant today, thank god, although CL has its own issues, So, do your research, go on the ebay community forums and look at the posts, those who are really vocal get their posts taken down quickly, just for fun go on and post about CL and ask if ebay or CL is better and see how quickly your postings disapear
 
internetannoyance said:
... CL stays independant today, thank god, although CL has its own issues, ...

I sold a bike ('83 Yamaha Maxim) and a car (1986 Toyota Corolla) on CL. Never bought or sold 'personal' services, though. :wink:
 
Robert_Norton said:
Snorton74 said:
The price isn't the only thing he's high on.


Not sure what price the bike started at, but it appears to be running as a no-reserve auction; so your comment is nonsense.


When I posted my comment it had a buy now price that was ridiculous. Please forgive me for having a sense of humor.
 
To give grumpy Robert`s mind a bit of a wind down, I am pleased to note that since a sensible dose of L.A.B.s moderation has been applied, Matt Spencer has been more circumspect, for which I am appreciative..
 
Ding Ding Ding, J.A.W. wins the use a big word in a sentence prize, circumspect, good one. I had to look it up. I Learn something new everyday.
 
Robert_Norton said:
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Maybe it takes him 3-7 kicks, but others may be able to do it in less. At least he's not telling lies about it being a one kick bike.

I would describe your exchange as more petty than harsh, and I would be embarrassed to come on this board and admit that I had sent a messages to an eBay seller such as the ones you've referenced above.

And Caveat emptor is Latin for "Let the buyer beware," so I'm not exactly sure I understand the meaning of your wish for him to find a willing sucker.

I’ve been telling myself all day...don’t respond...don’t respond, etc. But I can’t let such ignorance sit on this site w/o a justifiable response. Let’s see...46 posts in 4 years...either you’ve been an “uber” lurker or simply don’t have a clue, Sir. Simply put, several of us on this Forum have been burned by “experts” who tout their professionalism with regards to restoring our bikes. I personally dumped $12K towards an “expert” on this Forum only to deal with months of pain and frustration after I got my bike back.

Oh the poor eBay seller...feh. FWIW, I simply stated that a 3 to 7 kick to fire up our engines should not be considered “normal”. I’m sure most on this Forum would agree. That said, I feel my post to this seller is absolutely justified.

You are truly a genius translating “Caveat emptor” as “let the buyer beware”...hell, I learned that in 5th grade. But my statement has merit...in fact let all buyers beware of such B.S. and let the suckers support those sellers trying to unload crap if they don’t do their due dillegence before they buy. Maybe you should bid on this loser and tell us how happy you are after it arrives at your doorstep.
 
I think it is right and proper that those of us who observe something untoward on a machine that is for sale on a national/international site should point it out to our fellow enthusiasts to inform those who may not be as experienced in such things and I feel that this machine is a good case in point. I am completely unconcerned about the number of kicks allegedly required to get this bike started, but very concerned that it is demonstrably made up of parts from different years and is not therefore a 1974 machine as stated.

I'm not sure if it's worth getting into a discussion with the seller as these sort of communications rarely produce anything beneficial. Isn't there a comment box at the bottom of E-bay sales where you can pose a question?

I have just noticed that the seller has responded to some feedback and amended his description. Fair play to him, he may himself not be particularly knowledgeable about specifications and dates, when informed he has made the appropriate changes (although I still think his date of 1972 for the engine is incorrect). I feel that this community has demonstrated here how we can work to keep information accurate even when it is in the public domain. Group Cyber-hug required!
 
cmessenk said:
I’ve been telling myself all day...don’t respond...don’t respond, etc. But I can’t let such ignorance sit on this site w/o a justifiable response. Let’s see...46 posts in 4 years...either you’ve been an “uber” lurker or simply don’t have a clue, Sir. Simply put, several of us on this Forum have been burned by “experts” who tout their professionalism with regards to restoring our bikes. I personally dumped $12K towards an “expert” on this Forum only to deal with months of pain and frustration after I got my bike back.

Oh the poor eBay seller...feh. FWIW, I simply stated that a 3 to 7 kick to fire up our engines should not be considered “normal”. I’m sure most on this Forum would agree. That said, I feel my post to this seller is absolutely justified.

You are truly a genius translating “Caveat emptor” as “let the buyer beware”...hell, I learned that in 5th grade. But my statement has merit...in fact let all buyers beware of such B.S. and let the suckers support those sellers trying to unload crap if they don’t do their due dillegence before they buy. Maybe you should bid on this loser and tell us how happy you are after it arrives at your doorstep.


The guy selling the bike on eBay had nothing to do with the unfortunate restoration project you experienced with your bike (I read the thread(s) about it), so using that completely unrelated event to now justify the tone of your correspondence with the eBay seller of the bike in question, well, that's a pretty weak argument.

As far as calling me a lurker, or that I simply don't have a clue, what are you talking about? Just because someone doesn't post often doesn't mean anything except they don't post often. I doubt there's much correlation between your knowledge of Nortons and the frequency of posting by the other members here.

Right now I've got two complete Nortons, and a third project one that I'm building up from parts. Including bikes prior to the ones I currently own, I've owned somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 Nortons, including a few that plenty of Norton fans would prefer over yours. So it's likely I've owned more Nortons than you'll ever own -- if that's what you need to hear in order for me to be qualified to post.


Your initial post was followed up by some in the peanut gallery, who expressed their disapproval for the finish of the bike, the price, the seller's lack of integrity with the description, etc., seemingly all initiated by your disagreement with what the guy stated about the normal state of tune for Nortons -- which is certainly not a reason to start sending snotty e-mails and then to start up a flame thread on this board. Also, it's poor form to post personal correspondence without getting permission from the author first. As trivial as the matter seems, it's almost certainly against eBay rules to do so, and if the seller reported the matter to eBay you'd probably hear from them about it, and maybe even get your account yanked. If it was me I'd report you just to teach you a lesson, especially since you go on in your final post to suggest the bike is a "loser." With the reach of this board it wouldn't surprise me if the guy gets less for the bike than he would have if you hadn't started this thread.


The seller is/was a board member here, too, which to me makes your remarks seem even more of a foul. His ad in the FOR SALE section has disappeared now, for whatever reason, but perhaps because you were harassing him over there, too. Maybe he's gone for good, not feeling welcome because of the ongoing attack in this thread. He'll probably be telling stories about all the jerks on accessnorton for years to come. And who knows what else he might have contributed or offered for sale here in the future.


And you're running a single carb on your bike. Try running Amals and you may find it a bit more challenging keeping everything, as you orginally put it, "up to snuff."


And finally, it was YOU who asked the membership to reply with their opinions regarding whether you were being too harsh. It seems what you were really after was a pat on the back and for some people to agree with you.



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Just to clarify my position that was thrust into this thread, Chip corresponded with me after I paid IN FULL, TO THE PENNY, to have the items fixed on his bike, and was polite and agreeable.

The fact that there isn't a client of mine that can truthfully say i have left them short ONE PENNY in fully correcting work I've done is NOT something you hear often.

May reputation may not be stellar, but my follow through can't be any better than it is.
 
Robert_Norton said:
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The seller is/was a board member here, too, which to me makes your remarks seem even more of a foul. His ad in the FOR SALE section has disappeared now, for whatever reason, but perhaps because you were harassing him over there, too. Maybe he's gone for good, not feeling welcome because of the ongoing attack in this thread. He'll probably be telling stories about all the jerks on accessnorton for years to come. And who knows what else he might have contributed or offered for sale here in the future.


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A follow up notice is warranted in regards to the above statement, as the advertisement did not disappear. I think I missed it because I believed "Dunstall" was in the subject heading.



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