Is the end of Ethanol approaching?

A space suit for cattle now that's thinking a-head. Until the Arctic circle area increased its methane bleaching cattle farts were found to be most significant source of CH4. Last few seasons Russian tundra areas in the news with mysterious huge holes they can't figure out if from a collapse or explosion. Back in the 80's a Dr. covered covered clinic for another of my travels, was a oil geoloogist prior and was 1st to suggest methane releases were a factor in Bermuda Triangle tales. That was just a bit after the Great Texas Oil Boom years.

Almost everyone has thought about sustainable energy, recycling waste for safe cheaper life style. I'm a bit on pins/needles to see if some new technology can make up for the crumbling systems money to sea plankton.
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In the late 1800's, during Walter Breuning's youth, there were 200,000 horses living in New York City. Each horse produced 24 pounds of manure a day. Horse flys galore!

just add sea water and go like crazy!
http://www.gizmag.com/quant-e-sportlimo ... ads/33020/

Jeandr said:

I am waiting a couple of years for technology to come of age, but for sure my next 4 wheeled vehicule will be all wheel drive electric.
Jean

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Jean, where do you think the electricity to charge the batteries of your car will come from ? ... A socket on the wall ?

Rohan said:

Danno said:

I agee that climate is cyclical and that wholesale change and mass extinctions have occurred many times in the past. But if we humans are smart enough to realize some we are pushing things in one direction or another, we should also be smart enough to do something about it regardless of some fat cat's quarterly propectus.

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That sounds positive, and simple enough. But what do you suggest. ?
At the moment, millions of tons of CO2 are going into the atmosphere every day,
and action to do anything to curb this looks to be somewhat distant.

Climate may have cyclical components to it, but the CO2 level in the atmosphere is heading up into uncharted territory.
Big time.
"Boldly going where no man has gone before".

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A graph which is indisputable.

However, it does not tell us how much of the CO2 rise is due to:

1) burning fossil fuel
2) de-forestation
3) 7 billion plus people exhaling CO2
4) 7 billion plus people shitting on the planet (which anerobically digests to CO2 and methane, a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2; or aerobically to methane which is usually flared off at municipal waste treatment plants, producing CO2).
5) And then there are those cows, breathing, farting, and shitting ....

The inconvenient solution to all the earth's ills is that 6 billion people need to leave the planet ... not just die, because all the rotting carcasses will produce methane.

There are bigger things to worry about than ethanol in gasoline, especially ethanol derived from corn, planted, harvested, and trucked using fossil fuel. BTW, we could be turning that shit into ethanol, or methanol, if we wanted to. But that would reduce Monsanto's profits. Speaking of Monsanto, a bigger thing to worry about is the use of their Roundup on our food grains and potatoes.

Slick

In the late 1800's, during Walter Breuning's youth, there were 200,000 horses living in New York City. Each horse produced 24 pounds of manure a day. Horse flys galore!

True

Today however, most of the mature in NYC is produced by politicians.

Peter R said:

Jeandr said:

I am waiting a couple of years for technology to come of age, but for sure my next 4 wheeled vehicule will be all wheel drive electric.
Jean

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Jean, where do you think the electricity to charge the batteries of your car will come from ? ... A socket on the wall ?

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My buddy who races E-bikes heard that question so he built a photovoltaic array and mounted it to the roof of his race trailer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/e ... -ever.html

Happened to see that article, sort of relates . . . .

The corruption of science by ideology - primarily from the Left - should be a matter of profound concern for all.

Meanwhile, the polar bears are about to, or have got, no summer ice.

Nero fiddled while Rome burned comes to mind....

xbacksideslider said:

The corruption of science by ideology - primarily from the Left - should be a matter of profound concern for all.

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Its the far right that are doing all the commentating ?? !!

Meanwhile, when you look at actual weather data.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global
Its not hard to see why the polar bears have no ice.

Note the big blue patch over Eastern USA.

some good news that sooty ole cycles and fireplace heaters ain't so effective heat reflectors after all, so UN Model crisis model shot down again but climate change ain't the end of the world anyway, other costly things are. Ethtanol best used for lesure, medince and solvent.
http://lastresistance.com/10885/new-ger ... -hysteria/

how it'd look with all ice melted, ignoring the mass shift on axis of rotation/eguator shift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbiRNT_gWUQ

I'm long fascinated by seeming hi polluting but actually great carbon waste recycling wood gas fuel.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... motorcycle

If you search hard enough, you'll find that pollution layers from jets, black soot from coal burning,
dust from volcanoes, etc etc etc all negate global warming, to some extent or other.
If we live under a thick enough pollution cloud, no problemo.... **

Pretty definite with their numbers there though, aren't they ?
Do they have a crystal ball to gaze into.

The fly in the ointment, again though, is that the climate scientists have
absolutely no idea what the lead time is between adding CO2 etc into the atmosphere,
and how long it takes for a warming effect to show up.

If its instant, then easy to measure.
If it takes a month or 2, or a year or 2, or a decade or 2, then it gets a bit trickier.
What if it takes a century or more to ramp up to its full effect.
(Nothing happens quickly in climate change ??)

** Until we look at what happens on planet Venus, where they have a seriously thick atmosphere.
And the surface temps are many many hundreds of degrees.
The ultimate greenhouse effect...

xbacksideslider said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html

Happened to see that article, sort of relates . . . .

The corruption of science by ideology - primarily from the Left - should be a matter of profound concern for all.

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Actually, the politicizing of climate science originated from deniers on the Right who insisted things they didn't agree with had to have come from the "Left" so as to marginalize and discount scientists who thought they had found hard evidence. Subsequently, a plethora of "scientists" who were paid minions of the deniers began flooding scientific journals, talk radio, and propaganda publications with their "evidence" to the contrary, which, like the article you posted, was mostly opinion and speculation. Other than that, I totally agree with your last statement.

Rohan we agree - no one really knows what is doing what over time periods nor what is being missed in predictions.

Danno, alas your summary is not the origin of the 'climate crisis' just the predicted-desired side effects of the real originators of global buggy man. Club of Rome an elitist Illuminati bankster think tank is the first to suggest global control advance via climate crisis. I call it climate crisis because climate always has changed but Club of Rome 1st round of this in the 70's warned we'd be under miles of ice by now. CoR and others similar after it are the source of the 'bought and paid for science conclusions that confuses rational people no end. Some like me see it as a big scheme to get us to pay for our own extinction. Sane people have a very hard time understanding this level of permanent insanity with so much power behind it.

U.S. policies that may contribute to these **** unintended ***** consequences.
"We realized there was remarkably limited information about how croplands have expanded across the United States in recent years," says Lark, the lead author of the study. "Our results are surprising because they show large-scale conversion of new landscapes, which most people didn't expect."
The conversion to corn and soy alone, the researchers say, could have emitted as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as 34 coal-fired power plants operating for one year—the equivalent of 28 million more cars on the road.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-04-plowing-pr ... s.html#jCp

Steve, you been postin pics of climate & corals in the dusting sidecar thread.
Make haste, more slowly ?!

Must be the high heels on my mind but lookie here a wood fueled Norton, tag url and wait couple seconds for one sweet tiddy instal that inspires me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... QBMg#t=273