Head Steady Install Question

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Went to install my Dave Head Steady today.
Directions say the frame mount will rotate when the bolts are tight, but mi e seems to have a fair bit of slop in it.
Is that normal?
Does it get shimmed?
 
some of the frames where made a tad thinner than others

when I installed my Dave Taylor I had to cut a piece of beer can sidewall and use it as a shim between the upper frame and the Dave Taylor so to fully tighten
without any wobble, you may have to do something similar
 
I figured as much.
Shame to shim it as it seems sooooo well made.

I guess it is what it is.
 
I had to shim my Dave Taylor head steady too. I needed some shim material and luckily I had a cold can of Abbot Ale in the fridge.
Didn't take much for a tight fit. The DTHS is nicely made. Maybe the Italian made frames have slightly larger brace tube?
Anyway, It really tightened-up the handling, and the ale was pretty good too.

Head Steady Install Question
 
i rubbed the mating faces of the frame clamp on 1200 grit wet and dry until it held the frame firmly.
Took about a 1/2 hour all up.
 
mschmitz57 said:
Maybe the Italian made frames have slightly larger brace tube?

Smaller, as the Italian frames are supposed to have been made from metric tubing, the bracing tube being 25.0mm, instead of the 1.0 inch (25.4mm) tube as used by Reynolds.
 
L.A.B. said:
mschmitz57 said:
Maybe the Italian made frames have slightly larger brace tube?

Smaller, as the Italian frames are supposed to have been made from metric tubing, the bracing tube being 25.0mm, instead of the 1.0 inch (25.4mm) tube as used by Reynolds.

Sorry for some slightly off-topic questions, but this is new to me; why, when and by who were Norton frames made in Italy?
Tommy
 
fiatfan said:
why, when and by who were Norton frames made in Italy?
Norton Commando (and Featherbed) frames were made by The Reynolds Tube Co. until around mid-1973 when the Norton factory began buying their Commando frames from Verlicchi in Italy (because they were cheaper than Reynolds).

The Italian-manufactured frames are supposedly the ones with the non-matching "F1xxxxx" serial numbers and made with metric (60mm & 25mm) instead of (2.1/4" & 1") Imperial tube.
 
ntst8 said:
i rubbed the mating faces of the frame clamp on 1200 grit wet and dry until it held the frame firmly.
Took about a 1/2 hour all up.
Probably a more engineered solution then a beer can...lol
 
L.A.B. said:
fiatfan said:
why, when and by who were Norton frames made in Italy?
Norton Commando (and Featherbed) frames were made by The Reynolds Tube Co. until around mid-1973 when the Norton factory began buying their Commando frames from Verlicchi in Italy (because they were cheaper than Reynolds).

The Italian-manufactured frames are supposedly the ones with the non-matching "F1xxxxx" serial numbers and made with metric (60mm & 25mm) instead of (2.1/4" & 1") Imperial tube.

You learn something everyday, especially here it seems! Thanks for the info, not life changing, but very interesting.
Tommy
 
Just to throw a spanner into the works, I fitted a DT head steady to my MkIIA (F prefix) and had the same issue with the clamp.
I measured the bore with the clamp assembled and it was 25.4mm, so some material needed to come off one half.
I put it down to a process error - otherwise a very fine product.
I measured my frame tube: It was also 25.4mm. As far as I'm aware the 'metric frame' story remains just a story.
Why wouldn't they make their frames to the Norton drawing anyway?

The Ducati frames being made at the same time (pre '76) used UNF threads - not sure if Verlicchi made them, but their drawing was done by someone called Seeley ;)

Abbot ale gets my vote too :)
 
B+Bogus said:
I measured my frame tube: It was also 25.4mm. As far as I'm aware the 'metric frame' story remains just a story.
Why wouldn't they make their frames to the Norton drawing anyway?


What diameter is the main spine tube?

There have been several previous reports of loose Taylor head steady clamps, if I remember correctly, they have been the 'F' series (850) frames where this problem has occurred.
 
L.A.B. said:
What diameter is the main spine tube?

58mm
Just checked some 750 frames, and they're the same.
Checked my other MKIIA - it's also an 'F' prefix with 25.4mm tubes, but the spine is 60mm on that one :)
 
B+Bogus said:
58mm
Just checked some 750 frames, and they're the same.

I would expect 750 frames to be "58mm" and there have been reports of other 850 'F' frames with what appears to be 2 1/4" spine tubes, however, as you have found out for yourself, not all are.



B+Bogus said:
Checked my other MKIIA - it's also an 'F' prefix with 25.4mm tubes, but the spine is 60mm on that one :)

The '1 inch' tubing on my MkIII non-F frame is around 25.7mm on average including paint, and the Taylor head steady clamped the tube without any need to shim, or rub down the clamp faces. The spine tube measures between 57-58mm (so 2 1/4").
 
I'll be moving the D.T. unit from my 72 over to the new 76 MK111 shortly , so it's good to hear the clamp fits well to the small bracing tube. It fit nicely to the 72. Quality is remarkable.
 
jaguar said:
Probably a more engineered solution then a beer can...lol
I have to admit to trying a beer can shim first up but the shim kept on moving so i resorted to if all else fails do it properly.
 
Sorry to get off track a bit but I been looking at the design of the head steady that Matt sells (CNW) and I think I would go with that one. Only because it looks to have a better anchoring setup. Save the paint on the frame.
Now, if only the Aussie $ would pick up again :(
JUG
 
That is a nice design.

I just can't get over CNW pricing. Don't even bother looking at thier parts as I think they are massively over valued.

Sure they are well made, but it isn't like there are not many options for well made parts for these bikes.
 
jaguar said:
That is a nice design.

I just can't get over CNW pricing. Don't even bother looking at thier parts as I think they are massively over valued.

Sure they are well made, but it isn't like there are not many options for well made parts for these bikes.

Well engineered, low production CNC parts are never cheap. Sure I have something that basically does the same as the CNW part but it looks handmade because it is. My only saving grace is that it's hidden under the tank.
 
I get "hand made" stuff costs more.

But CNW stuff is even more then that, and I just dont see the reason.
Havent seen anything from them that couldnt be found from another shop.
Sure it is nice stuff, but not twice as nice.
 
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