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Stephen_Spencer said:
FE, that is a complete mis-characterisation. Your comments above and immediately previous do not reflect what has been posted. Read back and see how open the conversation has (not) been - I don’t think I started any post with the word ‘No!’ Have you?

There are (very) few conspiracy theorists on this site and by your measure, the remainder are balanced and central - are we reading the same thread?

There have been some valid points made, the ‘vast‘ majority of which have a counter discussion point - but ya have to be willing to look and engage - participant here have largely not done that.

Because my opinion aligns (in the main) with mainstream thinking does not mean that I don’t have an opinion, again, despite your characterisation. I have reservations and I say so. I have engaged with points raised by others whilst having my own shut down, or ignored. I‘ve been attempting to have a discussion (not an argument), but a discussion requires both sides acknowledge each other - ‘No‘, ‘Nope’ or 🤣, 👎, 🤮 is not engaging in discussion.

Your last comment sums it up entirely. This thread is for opponents to current thinking only - which is a common theme in the pubs more serious threads. Anybody else is usually marginalised or ignored. Some try and are usually ‘rounded up‘ quickly with ridicule and/or vitriolic comment explained away as ‘leg pulling’ and banter - usually ending with a ‘harden up princess‘ type comment and the guy leaving the discussion. That’s mostly why there are almost no opposing views.

I’ve tried to present an alternate narrative and have failed so far. No biggie🤙

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No Stephen, I disagree.

This time, with your point about me using the word ‘no’ !

Saying ‘no, I disagree’ to specific points… and explaining why… and offering a counter view…IS how debates and discussions work. I honestly don’t know what you’re looking for in a thread like this if you expect no one to say ‘no’ to you when you are raising what are clearly counter arguments !

’No’ is an honest and respectful and proper word Stephen. Avoiding it (when the underlying belief is no) is the definition of patronising and is dishonest.

As to most of the rest of your last post, all I can say is ‘back atcha’. You accuse me of ‘complete miss characterisation‘ which was certainly not my intent, but I now have to return the accusation as I do not believe that many of your points above are fair or accurate representations at all.

Discussion like this can be shown figuratively with a 2 circled Venn diagram IMO. In one circle you have person A’s intrinsic ingrained lifelong belief structure. In the second circle you have person B’s intrinsic ingrained lifelong belief structure. In the overlapped circles in the middle, you have the topic under discussion.

It’s really difficult, perhaps impossible, for anyone to debate that middle overlap without being influenced / guided / perhaps even blinded, by their intrinsic beliefs. It’s obvious that that’s where you and I are Stephen. So it’s definitely time to agree to disagree and move on.

I‘ve said many times now, I believe EVs are PART of the the future solution, along with hybrids and hydrogen and some ICEs. My main argument or gripe is the over hyping of their (current) benefits, the dumbing down or ignoring of their (current) limitations and issues and the completely incorrect belief of governments that they can make science work better by aggressive and premature legislation.

If that makes me some kind of fence sitter, or denier, or right wing nut job in your mind, well, there’s probably not much I can do about that.
 
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concours said:
....but, using their twisted logic, they excluded to SUPPORT VAN.
And all the juice they STOLE from "petrol stations, hots & cafes."
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Exactly !

How can it be even remotely correct to claim the cost of charging was X when most of the time they plugged in at ‘hotels petrol stations and cafes’ ??

Thats exactly the kind of journalism that fuels arguments. You and I probably read into it something like ‘that amount of BS just proves that the rest of it is BS’. Whereas Stephen will read into it ‘wow these are wonderful’ (sorry Stephen, hopefully you get the point).

Why can’t journalists just be objective anymore ?!?
 
Fast Eddie said:
Exactly !

How can it be even remotely correct to claim the cost of charging was X when most of the time they plugged in at ‘hotels petrol stations and cafes’ ??

Thats exactly the kind of journalism that fuels arguments. You and I probably read into it something like ‘that amount of BS just proves that the rest of it is BS’. Whereas Stephen will read into it ‘wow these are wonderful’ (sorry Stephen, hopefully you get the point).

Why can’t journalists just be objective anymore ?!?
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You'd have to go back a long way to find objective journalism
If it were ever there in the first place
The piper calls the tune unfortunately
 
Fast Eddie said:
No Stephen, I disagree.

This time, with your point about me using the word ‘no’ !

Saying ‘no, I disagree’ to specific points… and explaining why… and offering a counter view…IS how debates and discussions work. I honestly don’t know what you’re looking for in a thread like this if you expect no one to say ‘no’ to you when you are raising what are clearly counter arguments !

’No’ is an honest and respectful and proper word Stephen. Avoiding it (when the underlying belief is no) is the definition of patronising and is dishonest.

As to most of the rest of you last post, all I can say is ‘back atcha’. You accuse me of ‘complete miss characterisation‘ which was certainly not my intent, but I now have to return the accusation as I do not believe that many of your points above are fair or accurate representations at all.

Discussion like this can be shown figuratively with a 2 circled Venn diagram IMO. In one circle you have person A’s intrinsic ingrained lifelong belief structure. In the second circle you have person B’s intrinsic ingrained lifelong belief structure. In the overlapped circles in the middle, you have the topic under discussion.

It’s really difficult, perhaps impossible, for anyone to debate that middle overlap without being influenced / guided / perhaps even blinded, by their intrinsic beliefs. It’s obvious that that’s where you can I are Stephen. So it’s definitely time to agree to disagree and move on.

I‘ve said many times now, I believe EVs are PART of the the future solution, along with hybrids and hydrogen and some ICEs. My main argument or gripe is the over hyping of their (current) benefits, the dumbing down or ignoring of their (current) limitations and issues and the completely incorrect belief of governments that they can make science work better by aggressive and premature legislation.

If that makes me some kind of fence sitter, or denier, or right wing nut job in your mind, well, there’s probably not much I can do about that.
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We clearly just have different perspectives FE - fair enough.

I’m sure we’ll ‘agree to agree’ at some stage of the game🤣!

Steve
 
Fast Eddie said:
Exactly !

How can it be even remotely correct to claim the cost of charging was X when most of the time they plugged in at ‘hotels petrol stations and cafes’ ??

Thats exactly the kind of journalism that fuels arguments. You and I probably read into it something like ‘that amount of BS just proves that the rest of it is BS’. Whereas Stephen will read into it ‘wow these are wonderful’ (sorry Stephen, hopefully you get the point).

Why can’t journalists just be objective anymore ?!?
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🤣🤣🤣...and the "support van" contained a generator to charge the bike. 🤡

Nothing to see here, just ice cream, lollipops, unicorns and FREE ELECTRICITY! (I think, like, my Mom has to pay a bill or something)🤡❄️
 
baz said:
You'd have to go back a long way to find objective journalism
If it were ever there in the first place
The piper calls the tune unfortunately
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It appears Bike is like the US moto mags, they've morphed into infomercials paid by manufacturers/advertisers.
And no doubt, there is LOTS of money flowing trying to coerce people into buying these stillborn toy motorcycles.
 
EstuaryBoy said:
You can't please everyone.......

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I said it ages ago.

Persuade your kids / grandkids to become solicitors (lawyers) cos they’ll make millions in coming years.

I can see the TV ads now “Have you been injured by careless EV cable usage? Tripped? Fallen? Time off work? Call us now, no win - no fee”.
 
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Fast Eddie said:
I said it ages ago.

Persuade your kids / grandkids to become solicitors (lawyers) cos they’ll make millions in coming years.

I can see the TV ads now “Have you been injured by careless EV cable using? Tripped? Fallen? Time off work? Call us now, no win - no fee”.
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I think you will find it's illegal to run an extension lead across the pavement in the UK and has been for sometime
Someone may correct me on this ?
 
baz said:
I think you will find it's illegal to run an extension lead across the pavement in the UK and has been for sometime
Someone may correct me on this ?
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Be that as it may… it ain’t stopping folk do it !

Its a bit like saying electric scooters are illegal…

I don’t know if the blind eye turning is conspiracy (mustn’t prosecute the greenies) or plain old incompetence. But if you were a new arrival to this country, you would have NO IDEA that cables across the pavement or e scooters were illegal !!
 
Fast Eddie said:
Be that as it may… it ain’t stopping folk do it !

Its a bit like saying electric scooters are illegal…

I don’t know if the blind eye turning is conspiracy (mustn’t prosecute the greenies) or plain old incompetence. But if you were a new arrival to this country, you would have NO IDEA that cables across the pavement or e scooters were illegal !!
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I asked at work today what they have to do on site if they need to run an extension cable across a public footpath legally
Firstly you have to get permission from the council stating the time and place and names and addresses of the people using it
The footpath absolutely must be closed to the public with a barrier either side of the cable
Then you'd need to prepare a method statement
I called it quits at that point but there was probably more
 
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