EV drawbacks

TBH had the thread been titled: 'EV advantages' or: 'EV Pros and Cons', I'd guess the bulk of narrative would be the same as has panned out here, complete with the inevitable slide to: 'My climate argument is more credible than yours, click here to find out why' (Apologies to all on that one).

Just sayin'......
 
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concours said:
You reinforce a fact known to me for quite some time.

That side of the argument is merely a "contest of volume".
Contains NO critical thinking.
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Like this critical thinking?

EV drawbacks
 
concours said:
RICH people, saving the planet, so they think. View attachment 106883
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More like real proof that some people believe that perpetual motion is possible even though the laws of physics say no.
Had a discussion on EV charging recently with a Tesla owner. Say you hop in your Tesla and visit a friend whos a good distance away. You get there and have to plug into their power to recharge. If you were in an IC vehicle would you ask them for gas to get home?
 
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Stephen_Spencer said:
Hey FE,

With respect, your comment is way off the mark IMO. Take the time to read back through this thread - while you’re at it, see if you believe your position has been truly ‘balanced and central’.

I suppose I should have taken my cue from the title of this thread. It was always going to be a completely one sided discussion - not phased by that at all.

I’ve posted mainstream information/content that is in line with current thinking, because that is what I believe to be true. I believe the IPCC has consensus and that there is sufficient expertise and evidence to show that they are on the right track; I have reservations, but not enough to derail my opinion. Our views on EV’s are clear enough.

Have a look how many times any of that more mainstream information has actually been responded to beyond: derision, sarcasm, laughter icons, thumbs down or the words ‘no’ or ‘nope’ etc.

See if you can find a single ocassion where anyone has read the content and offered a balanced response - or whether it has been just ignored. No room for an alternate narrative. Admittedly I have responded in similar fashion ocassionally, but I guess that’s gonna happen when you’re on your Jack Jones in a debate.

Not looking for anybody to agree with me - just to move beyond the overwhelmingly negative commentary and look at the possibility that there may be some merit to the mainstream narrative. That just maybe, our scientists and politicians have’nt got it all wrong. Is this a real discussion, or is this thread by that definition redundant.
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Perhaps if the commentary here is "overwhelmingly negative", it is the ACTUAL "mainstream" (not to be confused with 'infotainment news')...

Ya think?

(OF COURSE NOT)
 
MikeG said:
More like real proof that some people believe that perpetual motion is possible even though the laws of physics say no.
Had a discussion on EV charging recently with a Tesla owner. Say you hop in your Tesla and visit a friend whos a good distance away. You get there and have to plug into their power to recharge. If you were in an IC vehicle would you ask them for gas to get home?
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Sadly, some people would.
 
grandpaul said:
So pub populations don't reflect the real world.

Got it!
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Of the people I regularly associate with above 60 years old, eighty percent would fit rite in with the majority on this thread. My oldest child is over 50 and would feel mostly in agreement with the thread majority. My other two under 45 years old would definitely not agree with the majority on this thread, one lives in Fl. one lives in Europe. I'v asked them how do the younger people they encounter look at this. The one here in the US thinks sixty percent more liberal verses conserv. The one in Europe says more than 60 % of young are more lib than most of my friends.... This is not a scientific study, just my observations
 
We are a very large family, well over 400 on my father's side. Living coast to coast and at least 3 or 4 other countries.

95% conservative, maybe higher.
 
Here is a guy that has experience with power grid supply....dont get caught up in the title....listen and observe the content...
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
Hey FE,

With respect, your comment is way off the mark IMO. Take the time to read back through this thread - while you’re at it, see if you believe your position has been truly ‘balanced and central’.

I suppose I should have taken my cue from the title of this thread. It was always going to be a completely one sided discussion - not phased by that at all.

I’ve posted mainstream information/content that is in line with current thinking, because that is what I believe to be true. I believe the IPCC has consensus and that there is sufficient expertise and evidence to show that they are on the right track; I have reservations, but not enough to derail my opinion. Our views on EV’s are clear enough.

Have a look how many times any of that more mainstream information has actually been responded to beyond: derision, sarcasm, laughter icons, thumbs down or the words ‘no’ or ‘nope’ etc.

See if you can find a single ocassion where anyone has read the content and offered a balanced response - or whether it has been just ignored. No room for an alternate narrative. Admittedly I have responded in similar fashion ocassionally, but I guess that’s gonna happen when you’re on your Jack Jones in a debate.

Not looking for anybody to agree with me - just to move beyond the overwhelmingly negative commentary and look at the possibility that there may be some merit to the mainstream narrative. That just maybe, our scientists and politicians have’nt got it all wrong. Is this a real discussion, or is this thread by that definition redundant.
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I laid out my stance a few posts ago, which you largely ignored and simply called me a fence sitter!

You have ignored very valid points, points that show huge holes in the popular narrative, your response has been to basically say that you choose to ignore that, and choose instead to continue to believe the popular narrative.

Thats your call dude, seriously, it’s a free world (well kinda).

I’m just not sure what your argument actually is, other than ‘well that’s what the government say so it must all be true’.

And I’m certainly not sure what your objective is in continuing to argue that with a bunch of guys who clearly do not necessarily believe the same ?
 
Fast Eddie said:
I laid out my stance a few posts ago, which you largely ignored and simply called me a fence sitter!

You have ignored very valid points, points that show huge holes in the popular narrative, your response has been to basically say that you choose to ignore that, and choose instead to continue to believe the popular narrative.

Thats your call dude, seriously, it’s a free world (well kinda).

I’m just not sure what your argument actually is, other than ‘well that’s what the government say so it must all be true’.

And I’m certainly not sure what your objective is in continuing to argue that with a bunch of guys who clearly do not necessarily believe the same ?
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FE, that is a complete mis-characterisation. Your comments above and immediately previous do not reflect what has been posted. Read back and see how open the conversation has (not) been - I don’t think I started any post with the word ‘No!’ Have you?

There are (very) few conspiracy theorists on this site and by your measure, the remainder are balanced and central - are we reading the same thread?

There have been some valid points made, the ‘vast‘ majority of which have a counter discussion point - but ya have to be willing to look and engage - participant here have largely not done that.

Because my opinion aligns (in the main) with mainstream thinking does not mean that I don’t have an opinion, again, despite your characterisation. I have reservations and I say so. I have engaged with points raised by others whilst having my own shut down, or ignored. I‘ve been attempting to have a discussion (not an argument), but a discussion requires both sides acknowledge each other - ‘No‘, ‘Nope’ or 🤣, 👎, 🤮 is not engaging in discussion.

Your last comment sums it up entirely. This thread is for opponents to current thinking only - which is a common theme in the pubs more serious threads. Anybody else is usually marginalised or ignored. Some try and are usually ‘rounded up‘ quickly with ridicule and/or vitriolic comment explained away as ‘leg pulling’ and banter - usually ending with a ‘harden up princess‘ type comment and the guy leaving the discussion. That’s mostly why there are almost no opposing views.

I’ve tried to present an alternate narrative and have failed so far. No biggie🤙

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