EV drawbacks

As far as I’m aware, only one forum member actually owns an EV and he states that he wouldn’t go back to an ICE vehicle. What do we make of that?

Have we covered every single (even remotely ‘negative’) aspect of EV‘s? From concept, implementation, manufacture, operation, performance, maintenance and legislation, to spontaneous combustion! We seem to be reduced to discussing the H&S implications of running a charging cable - where to next 🤣? What about pedestrian accidents due to a failure to hear an approaching EV?

We could progress from the first part of the ‘what have the Romans ever done for us’ sketch to the second part? What may happen, if these vehicles, their design, manufacture, performance, infrastructure, administration and legislation just happen to improve into future? Just a suggestion.

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The message to the world from Norway is, or should be: look what happens when you actually do invest adequately in infrastructure !

And give huge tax breaks.

But perhaps let’s not mention the fact that Norway is a fossil fuel producing superpower….
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
As far as I’m aware, only one forum member actually owns an EV and he states that he wouldn’t go back to an ICE vehicle. What do we make of that?

Have we covered every single (even remotely ‘negative’) aspect of EV‘s? From concept, implementation, manufacture, operation, performance, maintenance and legislation, to spontaneous combustion! We seem to be reduced to discussing the H&S implications of running a charging cable - where to next 🤣? What about pedestrian accidents due to a failure to hear an approaching EV?

We could progress from the first part of the ‘what have the Romans ever done for us’ sketch to the second part? What may happen, if these vehicles, their design, manufacture, performance, infrastructure, administration and legislation just happen to improve into future? Just a suggestion.

For context:

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No there's much more to cover imo
And to cover the h&s aspect and legality of cables across a footpath is very relevant
I'm assuming that you have a garage or driveway where you could charge an electric vehicle by your comments?
I'm assuming you can afford an electric vehicle when the time comes?
I realise it's sour grapes from me but I'm not too far off of retirement I don't have enough money to purchase an EV now
I certainly won't after retirement
But if I did own an EV I would either have to run a cable across the footpath or go to a charging point
The thought of sitting waiting for my car to charge fills me with dread
 
Fast Eddie said:
The message to the world from Norway is, or should be: look what happens when you actually do invest adequately in infrastructure !

And give huge tax breaks.

But perhaps let’s not mention the fact that Norway is a fossil fuel producing superpower….
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And of course Norway also invested heavily in hydro electric generation that supplies most of their needs
 
Fast Eddie said:
The message to the world from Norway is, or should be: look what happens when you actually do invest adequately in infrastructure !

And give huge tax breaks.

But perhaps let’s not mention the fact that Norway is a fossil fuel producing superpower….
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baz said:
And of course Norway also invested heavily in hydro electric generation that supplies most of their needs
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As far as I can see Norway has looked at it's oil generated wealth as temporary, knowing it wasn't going to last forever. I know of no other country that has invested in a future that doesn't require them to be dependent on fossil fuels. Looks like a good call to me.
 
rweb said:
As far as I can see Norway has looked at it's oil generated wealth as temporary, knowing it wasn't going to last forever. I know of no other country that has invested in a future that doesn't require them to be dependent on fossil fuels. Looks like a good call to me.
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I know exactly how Norway must feel because any wealth that I have had has only been temporary 🤔🤣🤣
I've no Idea how long long oil or any fossil fuels will last
I can remember in the very early 70s being taught at school that oil had 30years max
Not sure what happened with that prediction?
 
rweb said:
As far as I can see Norway has looked at it's oil generated wealth as temporary, knowing it wasn't going to last forever. I know of no other country that has invested in a future that doesn't require them to be dependent on fossil fuels. Looks like a good call to me.
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My point is only that what they have done has cost an awful lot of money, especially for a country with a relatively small population.

That money has come from selling fossil fuels. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have, just pointing it out.

But before they get lauded as an example for the world, people need to think about the economic scale of things.

I am in no way knocking the Norwegians. I guess I’m knocking the lazy journalism with their message that there’s now ‘no excuse’ for the rest of the world to copy and follow suit.
 
I suggest anyone who would like an electric motorcycle is silly in the head. In my life there are three things which I am passionatec about - music, chemistry and motorcycle road racing. An adewnalin rush is always good value. With motorcycles part of the adrenalin rush comes from the sound and feel of the motor, which assist you to go faster, when you ride the bike. It is the reason I never stasrt my Seeley 850 when I am not at a race trock. It I start the motor, I always have a compelling urge to rode the bike. If I ride it down the street, I could be jailed.
 
KiwiShane said:
Wrong rweb...
The Norwegian government is facing growing pressure to scale back its huge global fossil fuel expansion plans – including the development of a controversial new oilfield in the North Sea.
www.theguardian.com

Norway under pressure to scale back fossil fuel expansion plans north sea

Campaigners say development of huge Rosebank field in North Sea would drive climate breakdown
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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What's wrong. All I did was point out that Norway for decades has been preparing for a future without oil, many years from now, not next week. I never said it was for environmental reasons. There is no argument here.
 
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KiwiShane said:
Wrong rweb...
The Norwegian government is facing growing pressure to scale back its huge global fossil fuel expansion plans – including the development of a controversial new oilfield in the North Sea.
www.theguardian.com

Norway under pressure to scale back fossil fuel expansion plans north sea

Campaigners say development of huge Rosebank field in North Sea would drive climate breakdown
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Love that Shane - usually railing against climate activism, you use climate activists pressurising the Norwegian Government to make a point 🤣.

My take - for what it’s worth.

Norway uses their oil revenue to fund their world leading green initiatives, whilst selling the vast majority overseas (mainly into Europe). These countries are responsible to take their own climate protection measures - to deal with their own oil (and other) dependency/consumption.

Oil is still a critical requirement worldwide, as we know. There is an environmental contradiction with Norways approach of course, especially with the opening of any new oil fields but these sources will be required into the future whilst countries develop their own greener solutions.

An oil export superpower? 2% of the worlds oil supply.
 
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Stephen_Spencer said:
Love that Shane - usually railing against climate activism, you use climate activists pressurising the Norwegian Government to make a point 🤣.

My take - for what it’s worth.

Norway uses their oil revenue to fund their world leading green initiatives, whilst selling the vast majority overseas (mainly into Europe). These countries are responsible to take their own climate protection measures - to deal with their own oil (and other) dependency/consumption.

Oil is still a critical requirement worldwide, as we know. There is an environmental contradiction with Norways approach of course, especially with the opening of any new oil fields but these sources will be required into the future whilst countries develop their own greener solutions.

An oil export superpower? 2% of the worlds oil supply.
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Shane was citing an incident to make a point
Not agreeing with it !
 
Norway have no intention off cutting of oil n gas exploration...💰 💰 💰
They are simply hedging their bets
 

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Stephen_Spencer said:
Love that Shane - usually railing against climate activism, you use climate activists pressurising the Norwegian Government to make a point 🤣.

My take - for what it’s worth.

Norway uses their oil revenue to fund their world leading green initiatives, whilst selling the vast majority overseas (mainly into Europe). These countries are responsible to take their own climate protection measures - to deal with their own oil (and other) dependency/consumption.

Oil is still a critical requirement worldwide, as we know. There is an environmental contradiction with Norways approach of course, especially with the opening of any new oil fields but these sources will be required into the future whilst countries develop their own greener solutions.

An oil export superpower? 2% of the worlds oil supply.
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Stephen that is a crock of shit!
 
KiwiShane said:
Norway have no intention off cutting of oil n gas exploration...💰 💰 💰
They are simply hedging their bets
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Yep there is a large degree of that, no doubt - politicians will always do what is politically expedient for them, the world over.

This is how they describe the contradiction:

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Ref the subject title: with their geography, economy, lower population and more forward leaning population/government they have shown that the introduction of EV’s to replace ICE vehicles is entirely possible. More difficult/complex for some countries of course, maybe impossible for others - but collectively to meet required targets? Only time and technology will tell.
 
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KiwiShane said:
Norway have no intention off cutting of oil n gas exploration...💰 💰 💰
They are simply hedging their bets
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I agree, they are gettin while the gettin's good and investing in the future when the gettin may not be so good. At some point in future the oil they have could become more expensive to produce than it can be sold for. Could be replaced with a cheaper energy source. Sorta like how natural gas is replacing coal in power plants, NG is less expinsave than coal here in the US.
 
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