E10 fuel

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marshg246 said:
No, but Virginia is actually a big state with different personalities. For instance, in Southern and especially Southwestern VA you can find E0 and kerosene easily. In Northern VA, the only kerosene is in the hardware store for $10/gal! The closest station reported on pure-gas.org on in the last year is about 60 miles away. The link you provided is Vermont, not Virginia.
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You must be quick, I corrected the link about 1 minute after posting. Big clumsy fingers.

Sixty miles away is not so bad.
Given what I've seen with power loss and carb damage, I would be inclined to get some extra Jerry cans or a small tank. You could stock up enough for 1 riding season on the bike plus fuel for lawnmower etc ?

Glen
 
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worntorn said:
You must be quick, I corrected the link about 1 minute after posting. Big clumsy fingers.

Sixty miles away is not so bad.
Given what I've seen with power loss and carb damage, I would be inclined to get some extra Jerry cans or a small tank. You could stock up enough for 1 riding season on the bike plus fuel for lawnmower etc ?

Glen
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Just checked with the one 60 miles away - they no longer have it. The next closest listed is 80 miles and they are out of business. The next is 106 miles away and I can't find a number for them. There is a small airport in Northern Maryland (58 miles from me) but most who don't own an airplane are turned away - depends on who's on duty I guess - I've never tried it - heavy traffic at all times they are open. This is all from https://www.buyrealgas.com/ which seems to be more up-to-date.

I've tracked every penny I've spent on my 2011 car that I bought cash. It is now down to $2.69/mile to own and operate. Driving 60 miles costs $161.40! Besides, I like riding if I can get out of the Washington DC traffic, but don't like driving anywhere.
 
Wow, that has been an expensive vehicle to operate!
I keep track of all costs too but must have been lucky, the 07 Mazda 3 with 320,000kms on the ODO has cost us 39 cents per mile, all costs except insurance. It helps when a car doesn't ever break, it just wears out inexpensive consumables and sips fuel.

I understand the aversion to driving, I'm getting there too.

Glen
 
marshg246 said:
Just checked with the one 60 miles away - they no longer have it. The next closest listed is 80 miles and they are out of business. The next is 106 miles away and I can't find a number for them. There is a small airport in Northern Maryland (58 miles from me) but most who don't own an airplane are turned away - depends on who's on duty I guess - I've never tried it - heavy traffic at all times they are open. This is all from https://www.buyrealgas.com/ which seems to be more up-to-date.

I've tracked every penny I've spent on my 2011 car that I bought cash. It is now down to $2.69/mile to own and operate. Driving 60 miles costs $161.40! Besides, I like riding if I can get out of the Washington DC traffic, but don't like driving anywhere.
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AVGAS is legal for use in off-highway ground equipment. "I run it my lawn mowers & stuff." I fill my cans at 7B3, everyone is happy.
 
worntorn said:
Wow, that has been an expensive vehicle to operate!
I keep track of all costs too but must have been lucky, the 07 Mazda 3 with 320,000kms on the ODO has cost us 39 cents per mile, all costs except insurance. It helps when a car doesn't ever break, it just wears out inexpensive consumables and sips fuel.

I understand the aversion to driving, I'm getting there too.

Glen
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Expensive car, 10 years old, 40k miles, every penny accounted for. High mileage and low purchase price definitely cut costs. Many people think gas is the only thing important - I'm sure you know otherwise since you've kept track. Insurance often costs more per mile that gas - I've never had a claim and drive little but insurance still costs me more than gas - right now, insurance has cost me 18.5 cents/mile. Tires cost around a penny a mile. In my case, personal property tax costs more than gas.

Last year I gave my grandson my Mini-Cooper. At that time, it was costing me $1.26/mile. It was a 2010 and had just over 40k miles so again low milage.
 
worntorn said:
You must be quick, I corrected the link about 1 minute after posting. Big clumsy fingers.

Sixty miles away is not so bad.
Given what I've seen with power loss and carb damage, I would be inclined to get some extra Jerry cans or a small tank. You could stock up enough for 1 riding season on the bike plus fuel for lawnmower etc ?

Glen
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I'm in Pa. close to the Maryland line and we have a Wawa convenience store that sells ethanol free 87 octane, If you live in the suburbs of Va. You may want to check the Wawa's in your locale to see if they have it, especially if there's an Amish area around there.
I've stopped at Wawa's along I-95 in Va. and they didn't carry it, probably due to little need for it on the highway.

Mike
 
Some info from a car storage company in the UK.
The article is dated May 2021 and discusses the upcoming change to E10.
This part caught my eye-

"At the time of writing, there is no requirement for ethanol to be included in super unleaded (97/99) grade petrol, so if you’re driving a cherished older vehicle (or putting one into long term car storage), consider a switch to the UK’s only ethanol-free fuels, Esso Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97 and Synergy Supreme+ 99. Taking a long-term view, we’d advise that any car with fuel held in the tank for over three years should be drained and replaced with ethanol-free petrol."
 
marshg246 said:
Expensive car, 10 years old, 40k miles, every penny accounted for. High mileage and low purchase price definitely cut costs. Many people think gas is the only thing important - I'm sure you know otherwise since you've kept track. Insurance often costs more per mile that gas - I've never had a claim and drive little but insurance still costs me more than gas - right now, insurance has cost me 18.5 cents/mile. Tires cost around a penny a mile. In my case, personal property tax costs more than gas.

Last year I gave my grandson my Mini-Cooper. At that time, it was costing me $1.26/mile. It was a 2010 and had just over 40k miles so again low milage.
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Who remembers this one?
 
concours said:
Who remembers this one?
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I remember seeing it and calling BS at the time. Two years later when I lived in Illinois near a refinery during the gas wars the bottom price got to about 25 cents a gallon. At that and with the Beetle's milage around 23 mpg you were already just over $0.01/mile without any other cost! The car wasn't free, registration wasn't free, insurance wasn't free, and so on. Advertising - gotta love it (or pull your hair out).
 
I have got the tank out of the wife's Moggy Traveler just now to repair the fuel connection and thought I would have a look inside to see the disaster that the E fuels have wreaked on it inside. This 53 year old car has been stood unused in the garage for 2 years with half a tank of supermarket fuel.

The first pic is the fuel pickup filter in the very bottom of the tank and the second is the other end where it comes into the tank.

Go figure.

E10 fuel
E10 fuel
 
worntorn said:
"At the time of writing, there is no requirement for ethanol to be included in super unleaded (97/99) grade petrol, so if you’re driving a cherished older vehicle (or putting one into long term car storage), consider a switch to the UK’s only ethanol-free fuels, Esso Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97 and Synergy Supreme+ 99. Taking a long-term view, we’d advise that any car with fuel held in the tank for over three years should be drained and replaced with ethanol-free petrol."
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Pity they did not list the UK exceptions who have no choice but to go for E5 or E10, this is due to single source filling depots in these area's who can't be bothered to produce any E0.

Scotland
South West England
North England
Wales

In these areas even the listed super unleaded is E5.
 
For me, it is simply not worth worrying about. I use "normal" (10% ethanol) gas in the Norton just as I do in all other vehicles, cars and bikes. I have had no problems whatsoever with ethanol gas that is EITHER regularly used/filled OR treated with StaBil.

Whether ethanol from corn/whatever is a good idea from the economy/green earth aspect or not is a different discussion but from a functional point of view, I have had no problems with it when used as I mentioned in the first paragraph.
 
A friend of mine worked in a bike shop and told me that when the Aprilia's came in for a big service, they had to warn the owners that there was a good chance the tank wouldn't fit back on. Apparently they would change shape whilst on the bench due to the fuel and were neigh on impossible to get back on to their mounts. Personally, I think this would happen if there was no ethanol in the fuel, plastic fuel tanks are a daft idea, but who knows?

Reference my post above re the Moggy tank, I refitted it yesterday and put the old fuel back in and it fired up first turn of the key. My wife told me it has probably been closer to 3 years since it was last started.

I wonder why there is so much difference in peoples experience with fuel, I tend not to worry about it and don't seem to have problems, and yet others cannot leave a bike for a couple of months winter lay up without the fuel going bad or the bottom dropping out of the tank.
 
Plastic tanks deforming is a common issue. Many manufactures going back to steel now.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Plastic tanks deforming is a common issue. Many manufactures going back to steel now.
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True, I first came across it with Ducati tanks a long time ago but never really made the connection with ethanol, most Ducati owners used premium fuels which probably didn't contain ethanol but still had the lard ass tank syndrome.

I personally hate ethanol in fuel, I don't think it helps anything, there will be big money behind it somewhere, all under the banner of the corrupt green movement.
 
I have a PR tank that I bought off Fleabay some years ago. I'ts currently wearing a coat of rattle can black (the DPO had painted it red & used it on a Ducati single I believe). Storm42 has seen it, and can testify to my lack of paint skills :).

I coated it very carefully with Caswell, and it looks fine inside when inspecting with a camera probe, but it does have some strange bumps appearing on the top and sides. I fear that it's not long for this world, but it's been like that now for at least 3 or 4 years, and no sign of it getting worse.

Since I've had it, it's always had either 98 octane E5 or Belgian 100 obtain E5, and according to the Fleabay seller, the tank had been on a shelf for many years, so it _should_ have been ethanol free when I coated it.

I see no point in doing a better paint job until I know what's happening to it though.
 
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