My practice is if there's oil on the dipstick, clear to start. If not ( usually 1-2 weeks without a ride), drain the sump & put the oil back in the tank. Last time I did this, I found some nasty bits of metal on the sump plug which turned out to be from a failing cam follower. Because of the wet-sumping, I discovered this problem before it turned into a disaster. Anti-wet sump valve? Not interested any more....
Anti wet sumping valve, who's got one ?.
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swooshdave said:
Hmmm, no problem there, Dave, I've found a solution for that! Back in the 70's I probably weighed in at a whopping 160 lbs. Nowdays, pushing 210 lbs., there's no problem kicking her over with the oil tank emptied...Force = Mass x Acceleration :lol:
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Now there's a bullet to the bone statement on Norton lifestyle philosophy. I and most change oil often enough to catch signs of decay, but then we are faced with what action to take, tear down immediately or the more dyed in the wool tradition of waiting for it to reveal itself plainly while taking out as many other components as it can.
This has got to be the most critical contraversy in Norton-domm. The British vendors, builders, repairers claim many cases of rebuilds, soon very soon after anti-sump valve fitted. There really should be no damage starting with half full crankcase, if seal blows I'd believe it was weak any way as I've never had em blow from wet sump idle ups till drained.
If my Combat has enough ~ inch of oil to supplement the sludge trap volume, then its got a double return to put back oil way more oil than needed, by the breather tube jet first then a bit later the primary oil return spitting trickle. I try to leave it at TDC but hardly ever do. Only time I care barely kick it to start is with summer grade oil in - on early hard freeze upper 20's F night time start. Ugh gasoline hardly vaporizes and take a bunch of kindling half fires to warm chamber to not just re-condense to liquid.
On past Peel I had a sight/drain tube so with just glance I'd know if emptied or not and sense of it age by discoloring. Note the hick tractor tread.
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cmessenk said:
Ah, yeah when I had that bike I was a wee lighter too… I might get a chance again at that Interstate soon, we'll see if those extra years and beers will do...
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just what are people saving by keeping all the oil out of static sump before starts?
Another not so very rare device let down. Off Brit Iron list today.
I had one of these anti wet sump valves on one of my Victors, mainly because I dont use it much, it had been on for quite a while with no problems, however, last time i used the bike to get it tested, a trip of about 3 miles, after a couple of miles I felt the engine start to pinch up, I pulled the clutch right away and on kicking over it felt completely free, so I started it again and figuered I was nearer the bike shop than home so carried on riding, it did the same again and I checked on restarting that no oil was returning to the tank.
So now being at the bike shop, I bought a bit of oil pipe so I could remove the anti drain valve and sure enough it now returned oil,
The bike still ticks over the same, it doesnt smoke, goes as well and doesnt make any noises, it has a roller big end so Iam wondering if I got away without doing any damage?
Pete Charlton
Another not so very rare device let down. Off Brit Iron list today.
I had one of these anti wet sump valves on one of my Victors, mainly because I dont use it much, it had been on for quite a while with no problems, however, last time i used the bike to get it tested, a trip of about 3 miles, after a couple of miles I felt the engine start to pinch up, I pulled the clutch right away and on kicking over it felt completely free, so I started it again and figuered I was nearer the bike shop than home so carried on riding, it did the same again and I checked on restarting that no oil was returning to the tank.
So now being at the bike shop, I bought a bit of oil pipe so I could remove the anti drain valve and sure enough it now returned oil,
The bike still ticks over the same, it doesnt smoke, goes as well and doesnt make any noises, it has a roller big end so Iam wondering if I got away without doing any damage?
Pete Charlton
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I can't start it without turning on the gas.
I can't start it without turning the key switch.
I can't start it without pulling out the choke.
I can't start it without folding out the kicker.
I can't start it without turning on the oil feed.
I just can't.
But that's just me.
It goes, oil feed, gas on, pull choke, keyswitch, kicker. On return it's key off, gas off, oil off.
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Duh, some us us take off every now and then with fuel still off but not for long, same principle with oil but in deeper doo doo. I myself have finally reasoned full circle on oil, break in and wet sump issues to now think its counter productive device for wear with a lot higher risks of failure than what ever wet sump could do to your engine and weekends to come. It was brought to my attention one would be better to have a lot of oil in bottom than nil if set up a long time.
I'd missed the ball valve handle in the way fail safe photo. I approve, except now i've changed mind on its wisdom.
I'd missed the ball valve handle in the way fail safe photo. I approve, except now i've changed mind on its wisdom.
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Jeeze louise Pv'er, at least I had the taste to flip the red plastic handle cover so the home plumbing label don't show : )
Don't guess it'd be a feather in your cap to say we were once in same wet sump shut off camp, knowing I've now left that camp for the wet sump's protective feature w/o any risk of dry running.
Peel's gonna have more do dads than a Buck Rogers cockpit, but will be set up to just sweep hands under seat to toggle on power and fuel, thumb bar compression release then step on it and go, as hot to trot hot shots on balloon tires only have to grip clutch and thumb commensor then gone. Hehe this is one reason i call em all corner cripples as caught up no sweat then bored at their pace till I got around em for some fun solo riding. Some Peel switches will be foot toggled others a chin press or a bite triggers it.
Don't guess it'd be a feather in your cap to say we were once in same wet sump shut off camp, knowing I've now left that camp for the wet sump's protective feature w/o any risk of dry running.
Peel's gonna have more do dads than a Buck Rogers cockpit, but will be set up to just sweep hands under seat to toggle on power and fuel, thumb bar compression release then step on it and go, as hot to trot hot shots on balloon tires only have to grip clutch and thumb commensor then gone. Hehe this is one reason i call em all corner cripples as caught up no sweat then bored at their pace till I got around em for some fun solo riding. Some Peel switches will be foot toggled others a chin press or a bite triggers it.
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Hi Josh,
There is a guy in the UK who makes anti-wet sump taps controlling the ignition (ie no spark when tap closed) from brand new components.
I got one of them a year or so ago for 50 pounds including postage to France.
His name is Andrew W. DOVE
322 Skip Lane
WALLSALL WS5 3RA
UK
He is quite a nice and reliable person.
There is a guy in the UK who makes anti-wet sump taps controlling the ignition (ie no spark when tap closed) from brand new components.
I got one of them a year or so ago for 50 pounds including postage to France.
His name is Andrew W. DOVE
322 Skip Lane
WALLSALL WS5 3RA
UK
He is quite a nice and reliable person.
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