961SE (UKDM) observation

I wouldn't run open trumpets on a street bike . Also remember there will be no permanent changes to your bike . Also last question , do you discharge oil to the airbox ? You will have to deal with that.
You do have to wonder about that. How restrictive is the standard airbox...and is it actually making things worse with regards the breathing concerns? I plumbed mine up the original way ie vent via the rocker cover, and no Yamaha aos fitted. The outlet breather hose from the airbox, goes down to the drive chain.
 
You do have to wonder about that. How restrictive is the standard airbox...and is it actually making things worse with regards the breathing concerns? I plumbed mine up the original way ie vent via the rocker cover, and no Yamaha aos fitted. The outlet breather hose from the airbox, goes down to the drive chain.
Hi Stu , Are you saying you take the rocker cover to air box hose all the way down to the chain now with no airbox ? Do you get oil all over the chain or does it stay relatively clean ? You have a motor the way it should be with proper clearances , they should have all been this way . ;) :)
 
I plumbed mine back to original years ago and get no oil in the air box!
 
Hi Nopdog , Did the engine finally break in , or was there another expanation for this good news ?
To be honest Tony, I’m not sure. As I did a number of things at the same time. The “engine breaking in” I think certainly played a part.
 
You do have to wonder about that. How restrictive is the standard airbox...and is it actually making things worse with regards the breathing concerns? I plumbed mine up the original way ie vent via the rocker cover, and no Yamaha aos fitted. The outlet breather hose from the airbox, goes down to the drive chain.
Hey @Stu Bodycote just on that, I'm assuming your suggesting that the restriction of the standard airbox leads to increased vacuum at the breather?
 
You do have to wonder about that. How restrictive is the standard airbox...and is it actually making things worse with regards the breathing concerns? I plumbed mine up the original way ie vent via the rocker cover, and no Yamaha aos fitted. The outlet breather hose from the airbox, goes down to the drive chain.
I always thought the stock airbox was just too small for the engine.

And in terms of flow, yes the filter also looks too small, but I can’t see it being the bottleneck.

In my mind, it’s the airflow TO the filter that looks like the bottleneck. The air is sucked from under the seat, and if you look at how air can flow into that under-seat area, especially on later bikes with more wires etc under there, the route is quite torturous.
 
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I always thought the stock airbox was just too small for the engine.

And in terms of flow, yes the filter also looks too small, but I can’t see it being the bottleneck.

In my mind, it’s the airflow TO the filter that looks like the bottleneck. The air is sucked from under the seat, and if you look at how air can flow into that under-seat area, especially on later bikes with more wires etc under there, the route is quite torturous.
If that was the case, with the position of the intake on the Commando being the restriction, you'd expect to see a significant improvement from the Dominator
 
If that was the case, with the position of the intake on the Commando being the restriction, you'd expect to see a significant improvement from the Dominator
Only if the other restrictions were addressed as well.

My point was that the airbox and filters are both too small as well. But improving them in isolation wouldn’t yield much, if owt, because of the seat base intake restrictions.

Proof of the pudding will be to see how well yours goes.

But… I’m only speaking from a laypersons observation perspective…
 
I wouldn't run open trumpets on a street bike . Also remember there will be no permanent changes to your bike . Also last question , do you discharge oil to the airbox ? You will have to deal with that.
I have had some in the past, but will look st the breather set up as well...a few things to be considered! I’ll noodle some more on it...
 
Only if the other restrictions were addressed as well.

My point was that the airbox and filters are both too small as well. But improving them in isolation wouldn’t yield much, if owt, because of the seat base intake restrictions.

Proof of the pudding will be to see how well yours goes.

But… I’m only speaking from a laypersons observation perspective…
‘If owt’ FE? Just wondering if you‘re from the right side of the Penines?
 
Only if the other restrictions were addressed as well.

My point was that the airbox and filters are both too small as well. But improving them in isolation wouldn’t yield much, if owt, because of the seat base intake restrictions.

Proof of the pudding will be to see how well yours goes.

But… I’m only speaking from a laypersons observation perspective…
Hello,

we measured the throughput on my bike. (Airbox with filter)
This was enough.
The restriction is the throttle body.
Too small and the wrong angle from the intake venturi.
 
‘If owt’ FE? Just wondering if you‘re from the right side of the Penines?
I thought Clive had a definitive answer on the dyno with his efforts ? The clamp on K&N project yeilded 5 HP mid range and 3HP on top with a torque boost . Does anyone recall this ?
 
Only if the other restrictions were addressed as well.

My point was that the airbox and filters are both too small as well. But improving them in isolation wouldn’t yield much, if owt, because of the seat base intake restrictions.

Proof of the pudding will be to see how well yours goes.

But… I’m only speaking from a laypersons observation perspective…
I thought Clive had a definitive answer on the dyno with his efforts ? The clamp on K&N project yeilded 5 HP mid range and 3HP on top with a torque boost . Does anyone recall this ? I saw similar results , but my data was not gathered as scientifically . Now 3HP may not seem like much , but if you like the look and it is done more professionally with a tuner it's a proven way to go in my view. !

 
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I thought Clive had a definitive answer on the dyno with his efforts ? The clamp on K&N project yeilded 5 HP mid range and 3HP on top with a torque boost . Does anyone recall this ? I saw similar results , but my data was not gathered as scientifically . Now 3HP may not seem like much , but if you like the look and it is done more professionally with a tuner it's a proven way to go in my view. !


5 BHP in the mid range (the most used part) is a freakin lot from such a simple unplugging exercise.

Taking the above point about throttle bodies, changing those would clearly give much bigger results.

Or… of course… FCR carbs !!
 
I thought Clive had a definitive answer on the dyno with his efforts ? The clamp on K&N project yeilded 5 HP mid range and 3HP on top with a torque boost . Does anyone recall this ? I saw similar results , but my data was not gathered as scientifically . Now 3HP may not seem like much , but if you like the look and it is done more professionally with a tuner it's a proven way to go in my view. !

3-5 doesn’t sound like much until the other guy wins the race.
 
That is with some slightly bigger injectors also. The bum dyno definitely showed a midrange improvement.
 
That is with some slightly bigger injectors also. The bum dyno definitely showed a midrange improvement.
Hello Clive , I am glad you responded to this . I seem to remember that you did a thorough dyno tune with air box and then put in the K&N clamp on air filter modification and got improved dyno results ? My flawed effort didn't get the stock airbox numbers first . Some are still sceptical of this approach and think it is an imaginary improvement . I've got a mind to do a video showing how quickly mine pulls to the rev limit at top speed.
 
Hello Clive , I am glad you responded to this . I seem to remember that you did a thorough dyno tune with air box and then put in the K&N clamp on air filter modification and got improved dyno results ? My flawed effort didn't get the stock airbox numbers first . Some are still sceptical of this approach and think it is an imaginary improvement . I've got a mind to do a video showing how quickly mine pulls to the rev limit at top speed.
Think we’d all be interested in seeing that video Tony! In awe of you more technically inclined types and your travails in maximising this somewhat flawed machine! I hope some day to be able to ‘ride on your collective coat tails‘ and follow the idiots guide to 961 success! Until then, I’ll keep riding and hope that it doesn’t explode!!:oops:
 
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