961SE (UKDM) observation

Stu Bodycote

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Got a couple of UK SE's in at present, on the standard unhomologated Omex 600 ecu...and it has to be said, they do run nicer, as can be seen here, nice steady idle below 1000rpm. Shame the tree huggers had to ruin things when it comes to homologation.

 
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Stu, hold old are your kids?

Some tricky conversations at the dinner table now with my 3 x girls + 1 x lad (he's no snowflake thank god). Tree hugging, actually hugging them is a bit wierd but strangely satisfying on woodland walks. But long live combustion engines.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
Got a couple of UK SE's in at present, on the standard unhomologated Omex 600 ecu...and it has to be said, they do run nicer, as can be seen here, nice steady idle below 1000rpm. Shame the tree huggers had to ruin things when it comes to homologation.

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But that oil pressure below 1000rpm is a killer!
 
City Garage said:
But that oil pressure below 1000rpm is a killer!
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That's a good call....I'll measure it out of interest. You never see the oil light flicker, unlike the later bikes.....I suspect tolerances to be much better on these very early engines. There's three different oil pumps used on 961's too, so would also be interesting to know the oil pressure differences between those. This bike doesn't have the ridiculous check valve fitted either.
 
Welshrugby said:
Stu, hold old are your kids?

Some tricky conversations at the dinner table now with my 3 x girls + 1 x lad (he's no snowflake thank god). Tree hugging, actually hugging them is a bit wierd but strangely satisfying on woodland walks. But long live combustion engines.
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8mnths old yesterday....we're not at conversation stages yet 😆
 
Stu Bodycote said:
Got a couple of UK SE's in at present, on the standard unhomologated Omex 600 ecu...and it has to be said, they do run nicer, as can be seen here, nice steady idle below 1000rpm. Shame the tree huggers had to ruin things when it comes to homologation.

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Hello Stu , Are these fitted with the IAC ?
 
No, no idle control and also a pretty user friendly ecu too.
 

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Probably being a bit thick here but would an Omex 600 ecu fit in a dual seat bike as they are a fair bit bigger than the ones we have?
 
City Garage said:
What is the throttle body if there is no IAC? and yes their software is rather simple to navigate
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Jenvy, just looks the same as the euro 3 bikes that you got in the states, but has no iac, no mounting lugs for the valve bracket etc
 
These very early bikes had engine assembly outsourced, done by Menard Competition Technologies (MCT) iirc. On the road they pull really strongly.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
These very early bikes had engine assembly outsourced, done by Menard Competition Technologies (MCT) iirc. On the road they pull really strongly.
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Thats awesome. The IAC removal is probably the best modification for a 961 anyways. No if we could just get a supply of throttle tubes with high idle detents!!
 
Fredvincent said:
Probably being a bit thick here but would an Omex 600 ecu fit in a dual seat bike as they are a fair bit bigger than the ones we have?
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Hi Fred what year is your 961 ? Did you know that SCS Delta sells the Delta 400S with the conversion harness for you bike ? They have the software downloads and some maps . If you think it will be easier dealing with OMEX , this may not be true . Maybe Stu can help you decide , but over here we have no support for OMEX and my Delta 400 has been doing very well so far.
 
City Garage said:
Thats awesome. The IAC removal is probably the best modification for a 961 anyways. No if we could just get a supply of throttle tubes with high idle detents!!
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The MCT throttle bodies are the Jenvey ones that have no IAC lugs cast into them, and the early green style injectors. Same as the ones me and a few others bought off ebay.
 
So I have a late 14000mile 2017 EURO4 961 decat and that would have an Omex 630? And mine ticks over just fine even though I have put bigger injectors in and K&N filters so this setup is capable of running without issues. So what exactly is the difference between mine and other similar who have problems? When I was having starter issues I found that if it struggled to start it got the fuelling all messed up so I ran it for a minute, turned it off and back on again (I work in IT) and it was good again.
 
The Löwe iacv is poor quality, and sticks. Many people bung the hoses up and adjust the throttle stop screws to give an idle. I replace those iacv's with a vdo part, which seems much better. But half the problem is the cross drilling to support the iacv...as covered quite a bit on this forum. The SE's just seem to be able to idle much lower and smoother than the homologated bikes. I will check oil pressure at idle though, out of curiosity.
 

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That's has given me impetus to get my ebay throttle body sorted out! I'm just coming to the end of another restoration, so good timing!
 
Clive said:
So I have a late 14000mile 2017 EURO4 961 decat and that would have an Omex 630? And mine ticks over just fine even though I have put bigger injectors in and K&N filters so this setup is capable of running without issues. So what exactly is the difference between mine and other similar who have problems? When I was having starter issues I found that if it struggled to start it got the fuelling all messed up so I ran it for a minute, turned it off and back on again (I work in IT) and it was good again.
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Hi Clive , I would think that you have the Euro 4 OMEX (black case) ?
 
Stu Bodycote said:
These very early bikes had engine assembly outsourced, done by Menard Competition Technologies (MCT) iirc. On the road they pull really strongly.
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Mine is easily a match for a water cooled T120 Triumph Bonneville (High Torque 2016-2023) .
 
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