2030 fossil fuel ban costs in the UK

Out of interest does anyone know what Toyota are doing in the electric car market?
There was talk of them pulling out at one stage because of lack of demand?

Their UK website is promoting an electric car called the BZ4X and various hybrid cars. They have to be in the electric car market, like it or not - it is the future.

Toyota believe in a strategy that would have:
EVs for purely short local trips, inner city, town use.
Hybrids for those who do longer journeys fairly regularly.
Hydrogen for serious high mileage, commercial traffic and heavy goods vehicles etc.

This has been their belief for many years in fact.

They’ve tried very hard to explain that they are NOT anti EV, but they do not believe a 100% electric only solution is the right one. Sadly, eco warriors interpret any debate, however logical or reasonable, as something to be vilified, cancelled, etc.

Toyota have also not committed to ending all ICE production by 2030. Again, their reasoning is entirely logical in that they supply the global market, and not all regions / countries will be able to go 100% EV by 2030. This is indisputable IMO and other manufacturers are BOUND to reverse their positions on this as 2030 gets closer (though some may do it under cover ie producing in other countries or even under other brand names etc).

So, IMO, far from being some kind of anti EV pariah, Toyota are really trying to lead a reasonable, logical, sensible, discussion about how to realistically address the issue at hand rather than simply blindly follow ‘fashionable’ virtue signalling.

And I can also tell you that there are many none Toyota people within the automotive industry who will privately agree that 100% EV by 2030 is not realistic, but they can’t / won’t admit it formally.

Funny old world !

Fast Eddie said:

Funny old world !

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Yes, but not in the "ha ha" way...

I wonder if they realize where all the plastic in their phones, or the millions of other things in their lives comes from? Nothing worse than an educated idiot.

MikeG said:

I wonder if they realize where all the plastic in their phones, or the millions of other things in their lives comes from? Nothing worse than an educated idiot.

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I say the liberal mind does not function beyond the "initial feel good" that comes from the heart.
Liberals, who are for the most part, the activists in these "causes", are hypocritical ...... hypo, meaning " not enough of, or less than adequate", and critical, meaning "applying reason and logic."

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MikeG said:

Nothing worse than an educated idiot.

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Actually, yes there is.

An educated idiot in office, spending OUR tax dollars.

MikeG said:

I wonder if they realize where all the plastic in their phones, or the millions of other things in their lives comes from? Nothing worse than an educated idiot.

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I wonder if they ever consider where their phones are made (hint; a totalitarian country that isnt necessarily a friend of ours..), or where the power to run the 4G phone networks and data centres comes from?

grandpaul said:

Actually, yes there is.

An educated idiot in office, spending OUR tax dollars.

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If you are referring to the US President, he can only spend what Congress gives him to spend so if there's any blame, blame them

TomU said:

If you are referring to the US President, he can only spend what Congress gives him to spend so if there's any blame, blame them

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A "educated" idiot in office is clearly not a referral to your President or any political party in my mind....BUT.... just to clarify your comment and to who is ultimately responsible for approving or not approving expenditure......so you are clear ...
The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the ability to create a federal budget – in other words, to determine how much money the government can spend over the course of the upcoming fiscal year. Congress's budget is then approved by the President.

TomU said:

If you are referring to the US President, he can only spend what Congress gives him to spend so if there's any blame, blame them

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I'm talking about a mob of them.

The US president is many things, but mostly a senile puppet.

So Greta revisits Germany to stop coal production as the Winter sets in...FFS!!

"Germany is embarrassing itself right now,” Thunberg said before the protest began.

Local media has reported clashes between the police and demonstrators, who have occupied the village in the western state of North Rhine-Westphalia for two years in an attempt to stop the expansion by energy firm RWE.

Following a decision that allowed RWE to move forward, more than 1,000 police officers with riot gear evicted hundreds of protesters in the village earlier this week, The Guardian reported.

A UK-govt affiliated 'fact-checker' has decided that you are not allowed to read what the World Economic Forum website actually says about applying COVID social restrictions to climate

Because of course that would be crazy!
I'm not taking anything out of context, you can go right to the site and read what they are promoting:

"COVID-19 was the test"

What They Don’t Tell You About Driving Electric Cars In The Winter​

It is a well-known fact that colder weather restricts EV battery range, and deterioration in performance can be significant. Cars fitted with an auxiliary heat pump tend to fare much better and provide less drop-off in range. This is a worthwhile point to recall the next time you visit your nearest EV dealership. If you have recently purchased an EV, it should be equipped with an Efficient Thermal Management System.

Preconditioning is available as standard in a lot of the latest EVs, but if this option is not available to you, then simple tricks such as: defrosting the windows help, as does running the car and switching on the heated seats for a few minutes before you and your family leave the house. All these little extras do not seem like they will make a difference, but they will assist in keeping the battery warm which will prolong the range and performance of the EV.

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Here's hoping public opinion will make the council remember who they work for