Trouble at Mill

JimC said:
You'll probably soon hear Ponzi scheme and Garner from a lot more other than me.
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I doubt that, somehow.



JimC said:
Why is it that some of you seem to be mired in wishful thinking?
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Nothing wrong with wishful thinking! Why such negativity from you?


JimC said:
What's with you, L.A.B., got a deposit on an undelivered Norton or what?
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Nope! According to your theories and assumptions wouldn't I be the one complaining if I had? Sounds as if you have? :)
 
L.A.B. said:
JimC said:
I'm growing weary of the Garner supporters who say Norton's problems stem from the difficulty of passing EPA regulations and nebulous vendettas by industry insiders.
These are the same hurdles John Bloor faced with the new Triumph. Bloor conquered his problems with a good business plan and proper financing. Garner is trying to clear these hurdles by soliciting deposits.

If I'm correct, Stuart Garner is pedaling a form of a Ponzi scheme and will bring untold damage to the Norton brand.
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-As others are probably growing tired of you continually repeating yourself over and over.

That's the fourth post where you've mentioned Ponzi scheme,-yes, OK we get it. :roll:

But there wouldn't be any: "Norton (motorcycle) brand" if it weren't for Garner!
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There wouldn't be a new 'N' without Kenny Dreer. Garner just jumped on the bandwagon. I do agree that the Ponzi scheme hypothesis is getting old though. I might buy one someday, so long as its sitting on the showroom floor, and I can take it with me.
 
Snorton74 said:
There wouldn't be a new 'N' without Kenny Dreer. Garner just jumped on the bandwagon.
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A rather expensive bandwagon, however I wish Garner had not continued with Dreer 961 design, updated or otherwise, and had produced something with a more modern engine specification.
 
Agreed L.A.B. I think they call that getting out why the gettin is good on Kenny's part. I wonder if anyone has rode a new 961 and a CNW? Maybe the Boz bros?.?
 
L.A.B. said:
Snorton74 said:
There wouldn't be a new 'N' without Kenny Dreer. Garner just jumped on the bandwagon.
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A rather expensive bandwagon, however I wish Garner had not continued with Dreer 961 design, updated or otherwise, and had produced something with a more modern engine specification.
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You may underestimate the the Dreer Norton. Don't get caught up with the high horsepower, fancy acronyms and realize that Kenny likes to ride and ride fast. His bike is suppose to be a blast to ride. I hope to get the chance one day. It's torquey like a... well, Commando.

Read through the ride reviews and that's what you'll see. Plus it doesn't look like every other bike out there. Which is also way it's getting the attention.

But I'm sure you could come up with something better.

We all know that without the development work that went on there would be no Garner and no Norton. Period.
 
swooshdave said:
You may underestimate the the Dreer Norton. Don't get caught up with the high horsepower, fancy acronyms and realize that Kenny likes to ride and ride fast. His bike is suppose to be a blast to ride. I hope to get the chance one day. It's torquey like a... well, Commando.
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I certainly think that an aircooled pushrod twin cylinder engine is an unsuitable a choice for a modern sportsbike powerplant.


swooshdave said:
But I'm sure you could come up with something better.
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I think anyone could come up with something better, just a matter of time and money.

swooshdave said:
We all know that without the development work that went on there would be no Garner and no Norton. Period.
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Not "period" at all (except for the engine design, perhaps?). All hail to Kenny Dreer for what he did-but if he hadn't failed, then it wouldn't be down to Garner (or anyone else for that matter) to attempt to turn the 961 into a reality.
 
I heard some Kiwi mob have developed a performance kit for the 961, upping power from 74 to 100hp through traditional big bore/cam/gasflowed head & etc approach, & are racing one in BEARS successfully[Malcolm Pearce], all very well if you can get one to modify I`spose...
 
I have mentioned this before, but I think it bears repeating since none of the critics on this forum have actually ridden a 961. Probably most have never laid eyes on one in the flesh. They are gorgeous, in fact they make all of the other new offerings from the traditonal brands look very pedestrian in styling. A big part of the appeal is the parallel twin aircooled engine, no ugly rad hanging out in front.

I havent ridden one, but one of my riding friends has, quite extensively too. His brother owns the bike (in the UK) My friend suggested the horspeower figures are pretty unimportant, in the real world it has what he referred to as "endless power anytime you want it" . Just a real treat to ride, according to him.

If we hotrod the snot out of our Commando engines we might get 55 or 60 on the back tire and probably lose some midrange to get there. What was Doug Mcrae's race bike, 69 hp on the rear wheel? And this is developed way beyond a level us road riders will ever see. Imagine if your Commando suddenly had a true 80 horse on the back tire! I dont think lack of engine power is an issue with this bike.

Glen
 
I'm inclined to decline, however we could trade photos of your Girlfriend for photos of the Vincent. I can provide conservative photos of the bike only tho, nothing too revealing! :D

Glen
 
Cycle World [Oct `12] reports having had this assurance from Norton USA, - the 961 is "On the final laps of US approval & delivery"
Yeah, & Xmas is getting closer by the day...
 
We may never know, the man who doe's [SG ] is keeping mum :!: out of interest will the start-todate frame numbers tell us, who as 00001 :?:





J.A.W. said:
But that's from last year..how many have been delivered per month over the last 12 months?
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