Thruxton R details

worntorn · Mar 11, 2016

Fast Eddie said:
Well, I have always been astonished you can kick start your big un at all! Godet point blank refused to sell me a kickstart only 1330, even if it meant losing a sale. In the end I knew he was right, the convenience and confidence of the elec leg was great!

I never bothered finding the right cylinder on my 1000, my method was to find TDC (whichever came first), then give a full swing with the valve lifter open, releasing it just as I got to the bottom of the stroke. So I didn't really start it, I just got the flywheels moving and they started it! Would this work on yours?

Sure your Egli will trump the R in terms of brute force and beefiness, but the R is refined, with a nice convenient electric start, whilst still being a 'cool' cafe racer... So my prediction remains!

Do you have a delivery date yet?

Nothing yet, just a little email from Triumph to keep me all stirred up.

More lacklustre reviews for the T 120. I'm with you, why on earth did they not at least offer the Thruxton engine as an option for the T120? More power everywhere plus a wider powerband ( thrux revs 500 rpm higher) is generally a good seller!
It probably costs Triumph less than a $100 extra to make a 96 horse 83 ft lb Thrux engine vs a 79 horse 77 ft lb T120 engine.

Glen

Fast Eddie · Mar 11, 2016

worntorn said:
Fast Eddie said:

Well, I have always been astonished you can kick start your big un at all! Godet point blank refused to sell me a kickstart only 1330, even if it meant losing a sale. In the end I knew he was right, the convenience and confidence of the elec leg was great!

I never bothered finding the right cylinder on my 1000, my method was to find TDC (whichever came first), then give a full swing with the valve lifter open, releasing it just as I got to the bottom of the stroke. So I didn't really start it, I just got the flywheels moving and they started it! Would this work on yours?

Sure your Egli will trump the R in terms of brute force and beefiness, but the R is refined, with a nice convenient electric start, whilst still being a 'cool' cafe racer... So my prediction remains!

Do you have a delivery date yet?

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Nothing yet, just a little email from Triumph to keep me all stirred up.

More lacklustre reviews for the T 120. I'm with you, why on earth did they not at least offer the Thruxton engine as an option for the T120? More power everywhere plus a wider powerband ( thrux revs 500 rpm higher) is generally a good seller!
It probably costs Triumph less than a $100 extra to make a 96 horse 83 ft lb Thrux engine vs a 79 horse 77 ft lb T120 engine.

Glen

Exactamundo !

And I also find it interesting that the only (I believe) mechanical differences between the motors are compression ratio and crank weight. Both topics have been discussed on this forum at length, but Triumph seem to demonstrate beyond doubt that the effect is big!

BTW please post any new T120 reviews that you have seen as I don't seem to be able to find many... I am still hoping... !

worntorn · Mar 11, 2016

Fast Eddie said:
I never bothered finding the right cylinder on my 1000, my method was to find TDC (whichever came first), then give a full swing with the valve lifter open, releasing it just as I got to the bottom of the stroke. So I didn't really start it, I just got the flywheels moving and they started it! Would this work on yours?

That is how I start it except I find TDC on the front cylinder to get the big space and Max rotational speed before hitting compression on the rear. That and rather than just let the flywheels carry it thru with minor help from the leg muscles as on the 1000s, with the big engine you need flywheels effect plus body weight, plus leg muscle strength.
So there is the the body weight crashing down and whatever added acceleration comes from unfolding the leg via leg muscle. In effect you use the leg as a wind up spring.
For now I had better continue riding the mountain bike to maintain the leg strength. The plus side is that no one will start the Egli and ride away with it, even if I leave the key in the ignition!

Glen

Fast Eddie · Mar 11, 2016

worntorn said:
Fast Eddie said:

I never bothered finding the right cylinder on my 1000, my method was to find TDC (whichever came first), then give a full swing with the valve lifter open, releasing it just as I got to the bottom of the stroke. So I didn't really start it, I just got the flywheels moving and they started it! Would this work on yours?

Click to expand...

That is how I start it except I find TDC on the front cylinder to get the big space and Max rotational speed before hitting compression on the rear. That and rather than just let the flywheels carry it thru with minor help from the leg muscles as on the 1000s, with the big engine you need flywheels effect plus body weight, plus leg muscle strength.
So there is the the body weight crashing down and whatever added acceleration comes from unfolding the leg via leg muscle. In effect you use the leg as a wind up spring.
For now I had better continue riding the mountain bike to maintain the leg strength. The plus side is that no one will start the Egli and ride away with it, even if I leave the key in the ignition!

Glen

You're gonna have one leg so much stronger than the other... you'll not be able to walk in a straight line...!

worntorn · Mar 11, 2016

Another ride review

http://overdrive.in/reviews/2016-triump ... de-review/

swooshdave · Mar 11, 2016

I suspect they will stick the Thruxton engine in a Bonnie down the road to make a new model.

Fast Eddie · Mar 11, 2016

swooshdave said:
I suspect they will stick the Thruxton engine in a Bonnie down the road to make a new model.

I think you're right there.

The other thing I'm thinking is, how much will the T120 perk up with the cat removed and 'off road' pipe fitted? That might make all the difference.

worntorn · Mar 11, 2016

I wonder if the race kit for the Thruxton R will be compatible with the T120?

Glen

swooshdave · Mar 12, 2016

worntorn said:
I wonder if the race kit for the Thruxton R will be compatible with the T120?

Glen

I don't know but I can say that the Thruxton should smoke the 961. Can't wait for the first head to head comparison. You know Triumph was just fuming when the Norton was compared to the previous Thruxton. :mrgreen:

worntorn · Mar 12, 2016

swooshdave said:
worntorn said:

I wonder if the race kit for the Thruxton R will be compatible with the T120?

Glen

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I don't know but I can say that the Thruxton should smoke the 961. Can't wait for the first head to head comparison. You know Triumph was just fuming when the Norton was compared to the previous Thruxton. :mrgreen:

The trick will be to find a fully functional 961 that isn't stuck in a shop waiting for parts or spewing out oil.

Glen

swooshdave · Mar 12, 2016

worntorn said:
swooshdave said:

worntorn said:

I wonder if the race kit for the Thruxton R will be compatible with the T120?

Glen

Click to expand...

I don't know but I can say that the Thruxton should smoke the 961. Can't wait for the first head to head comparison. You know Triumph was just fuming when the Norton was compared to the previous Thruxton. :mrgreen:

Click to expand...

The trick will be to find a fully functional 961 that isn't stuck in a shop waiting for parts or spewing out oil.

Glen

Owie.

Have they said what's all in the race kit?

worntorn · Mar 12, 2016

I know, a bit of a meee-ow on my part.
There were a couple of 961ers who likened a Thrux R owner to a tacky Chrysler 300m owner as compared them being high brow Bentley owners or some such rubbish. The analogy might hold if Bentleys are forever broken down and unable to find parts or service.

The race kit consists of a cam, cat-delete pipes, free flowing megaphones and a new fuel map. Said to be good for about 15 extra horses, several pound feet of torque(does it need more?)and a possible reduction of twenty pounds or so.

Glen

swooshdave · Mar 12, 2016

worntorn said:
I know, a bit of a meee-ow on my part.
There were a couple of 961ers who likened a Thrux R owner to a tacky Chrysler 300m owner as compared them being high brow Bentley owners or some such rubbish. The analogy might hold if Bentleys are forever broken down and unable to find parts or service.

The race kit consists of a cam, cat-delete pipes, free flowing megaphones and a new fuel map. Said to be good for about 15 extra horses, several pound feet of torque(does it need more?)and a possible reduction of twenty pounds or so.

Glen

Officially the race kit is R only, although isn't the standard Thuxton suppose to have the same engine?

I suspect you won't want to use the race map on the Bonnie. But someone will develop one sooner or later.

worntorn · Mar 12, 2016

Yeah, it's got to be useable on the Thruxton as well.

The T120 has a heavier crank, lower compression ratio and some other engine design differences, so the factory race kit may not be a fit for the T 120.

Glen

swooshdave · Mar 12, 2016

https://jacklilleytriumph.files.wordpre ... e-2016.pdf

You're welcome.

worntorn · Mar 12, 2016

Thanks Dave.
It turns out I have that one, have printed it off, drooled on it and circled many things for consideration.
BikeBandit already has listed pricing on all the items in US$. You can just type the part number from the Lilley catalogue into the Bike Bandit search bar and pricing for that item will show up.

I might go for the quickshifter kit.

Glen

worntorn · Mar 14, 2016

Watch that speedo needle move. Just under ninety MPH in about six seconds and he's shifting rather slowly, not redlining it.
The engine doesn't even sound like it's working hard.
It doesn't make nearly the sound and fury of my Daytona 955i, but it appears to be accelerating almost as hard. The Daytona does zero to 100 MPH in about six seconds, as do most litre sport bikes built after 2002.
With the quickshifter option......this thing will be quick.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8fiAsf7 ... e=youtu.be

Glen

swooshdave · Mar 14, 2016

worntorn said:
Watch that speedo needle move. Just under ninety MPH in about six seconds and he's shifting rather slowly, not redlining it.
The engine doesn't even sound like it's working hard.
It doesn't make nearly the sound and fury of my Daytona 955i, but it appears to be accelerating almost as hard. The Daytona does zero to 100 MPH in about six seconds, as do most litre sport bikes built after 2002.
With the quickshifter option......this thing will be quick.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8fiAsf7 ... e=youtu.be

Glen

Im just waiting for Glen to get his bike so I have another excuse for a road trip up north. :mrgreen:

worntorn · Mar 14, 2016

I'm not 100% sure I'll make it this year, but the Washington Vintage Motorcyclists "Over The Pass" June rally in Winthrop, Wa. would be a good one to meet up at. The roads around Winthrop are excellent and you could really give it a proper tryout.

Glen

swooshdave · Mar 18, 2016

Stopped by the local dealer today. The T120s will start coming in next week, Thruxtons after that. They have their waiting list posted on the wall. Only two red ones coming in on the first wave. Only one is spoken for. Somehow resisted potting a deposit down on the other one. It will be here in April. I'm not sure if you guys understand the level of self-control that took. :mrgreen:

Silver seemed to be the most popular and the black wasn't far behind. If there's any doubt which one I like just look for the drool in the pics on page one.

If I could get $5k for my 2009 T100 it wouldn't be much of a stretch...

"Lord, give me strength..."

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