The P11 thread

[p400]

If somebody put a Commando clutch lifter arm inside your inner tranny cover socket, THAT is your problem. the geometry is different. Caused me a lot of gray hair in my beard to figure that one out till somebody in this forum talked about it. Then, (or otherwise), really careful cable and actuator adjustment from bottom to top will get the best out of it.

GP, how do you identify this substitution of clutch actuation arms (#90) 04-0029 ?
Thanks
Craig

 

[L.A.B.]

how do you identify this substitution of clutch actuation arms (#90) 04-0029 ?

http://atlanticgreen.com/ndnsclutch.htm

http://atlanticgreen.com/images/ca.gif

http://atlanticgreen.com/images/clutcharms-2.jpg

 

[p400]

how do you identify this substitution of clutch actuation arms (#90) 04-0029 ?

http://atlanticgreen.com/ndnsclutch.htm
http://atlanticgreen.com/images/ca.gif
http://atlanticgreen.com/images/clutcharms-2.jpg

Thank you for the links, as a result of this information, what did you purchase and from what source please?

 

[hrwat1]

Thanks for the responses on the side stand question. I am just trying to blow up the picture of the stand itself now - as the one I received doesn't have a clear pivot/mount for the spring. My assumption is that it is mounted via an extension on one of the bolts/studs that secures the bracket but any info would be much appreciated.

Hope to have it all done (less fettling/adjusting) in the next fortnight or so....fenders are on the way along with the rear light / numberplate bracket - and that should get me across the line. Still umming about making the aluminium sump guard.

Huw

 

[BillT]

The lower stud on the clamp provides the spring pivot mounting. If you want a decent side view of the stand, go here:

http://www.basmotor.se/eng/ram/stod.html

and just scroll down to the 06-7719 description.

 

[hrwat1]

Thanks for the help on the stand everyone.
Looking (read: cursing) at it now, seem to have it right just putting bracket on a diet now.
Indent in inner primary misled and caused some confusion but understand that it doesnt run through there.

Huw

 

[hrwat1]

Headlight brackets and everything now on - just need to wire it up.

Still not sure if I have the right bolt (came with it) for the side stand bracket, as it seems a tad short to hook the spring over. However, the stand is now on and in the right place - and the bike now looks and sits right (if a smidge high).

Having a little bit of a problem with getting the outer primary cover on level as it does not want to pull down at the back - strikes me that it is an alignment issue and something is fouling or done up too tight. Will take apart and investigate/start again in next couple of days.

Does anyone have a picture or details of how the high pipe exhaust mounts? - obviously using the brackets on the frame - but I am talking more about the component parts, which I got the by part no from a supplier but don't seem to add up (2 long spacers - make perfect sense; 4 short bolts - make less sense) - was thinking of simply cheating and using a long bolt all the way through the spacer and exhaust clamp - unless there is a reason not to. Think there will be a little bit of fettling to get them to sit right and align but this likely to just be trial and error.

Huw

 

[p400]

Headlight brackets and everything now on - just need to wire it up. Still not sure if I have the right bolt (came with it) for the side stand bracket, as it seems a tad short to hook the spring over. However, the stand is now on and in the right place - and the bike now looks and sits right (if a smidge high).
Having a little bit of a problem with getting the outer primary cover on level as it does not want to pull down at the back - strikes me that it is an alignment issue and something is fouling or done up too tight. Will take apart and investigate/start again in next couple of days.
Does anyone have a picture or details of how the high pipe exhaust mounts? - obviously using the brackets on the frame - but I am talking more about the component parts, which I got the by part no from a supplier but don't seem to add up (2 long spacers - make perfect sense; 4 short bolts - make less sense) - was thinking of simply cheating and using a long bolt all the way through the spacer and exhaust clamp - unless there is a reason not to. Think there will be a little bit of fettling to get them to sit right and align but this likely to just be trial and error.Huw

Hi Huw, can you post photos of the kick stand and primary fit .....also the part numbers and dimensions of what you received for exhaust parts.
Thanks
p400

 

[p400]

I have located two photo record sets for two unrestored 1967, delicate, alloy oil tanks and as a result, have satisfied myself with understanding the decal placement for the two water slide decals. It would be nice to see photos of unrestored steel oil tanks for other P11 posted on this forum .....or even more alloy tank photos.
Also interesting is the drain plug on each alloy tank... I distinctly remember previous writing about early alloy oil tanks not having drain plugs.
Also appears the alloy tanks have an lower extension of the fender, where as the P11 steel oil tanks do not.

 

[BillT]

The prototype didn't have a drain plug, so the story goes that the first batch of P11s didn't have a plug, either.

I don't know if the non-drainplug version counts as one of the (at least) 4 versions of the oil tank, but you likely won't find one out there. My Ranger has the last version - steel with flat seams - and it was still repaired in its early life.

 

[p400]

interesting EBay sale 9/23/14 starting at $90 , seller says Ranger tank, I notice raised seam around outer panel.

 

[p400]

Early alloy oil tank, in fact all alloy P11 oil tanks, has lower fender type extension. (Not found on later steel tanks) I found photos in another thread, but most appropriate in this thread.
This alloy tank example requires straightening.

 

[p400]

I am fitting new Amals, as the oem Amals were too needy. and at looking at the existing fuel lines I have these square body fuel tees. Bill or anyone know if these, shown here in photo, are oem fuel tees 02-1844 ?

 

[p400]

I am continuously disappointed with the reproduction pieces I purchase from well known vendors. Exhaust pipes, airbox, plate holder, fender braces, gaskets, kickstand, oil lines, many rubber pieces, nuts, bolts, and many things I cant recall right now.
Currently the repro P11 airbox that I am fitting does not clear the petcocks, too wide, and after reviewing period photos, the airbox seems incorrectly sized and shaped.
Is there a known drawing or measurements for a 1967 P11 airbox? or pictures of such airbox?
Thanks

 

[jimbo]

son of P11?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Norton-750-Dese ... otorcycles

 

[grandpaul]

I am continuously disappointed with the reproduction pieces I purchase from well known vendors. Exhaust pipes, airbox, plate holder, fender braces, gaskets, kickstand, oil lines, many rubber pieces, nuts, bolts, and many things I cant recall right now. Currently the repro P11 airbox that I am fitting does not clear the petcocks, too wide, and after reviewing period photos, the airbox shown below is incorrectly sized and shaped. The 190mm width is not correct. Is there a known drawing or measurements for a 1967 P11 airbox? or pictures of such airbox?

I'll have a look at my bike this weekend and do some measurements. (fairly sure someone else will likely jump in before then)

 

[p400]

I am continuously disappointed with the reproduction pieces I purchase from well known vendors. Exhaust pipes, airbox, plate holder, fender braces, gaskets, kickstand, oil lines, many rubber pieces, nuts, bolts, and many things I cant recall right now.
Currently the repro P11 airbox that I am fitting does not clear the petcocks, too wide, and after reviewing period photos, the airbox shown below is incorrectly sized and shaped. The 190mm width is not correct. Is there a known drawing or measurements for a 1967 P11 airbox? or pictures of such airbox? Thanks

Here are a couple of period pics from my airbox fit reference.
Also, if you are running a stock 1967 alloy airbox, I would ask what paper element are you using ?
I think the assumption the air box is a symmetrical design is not a good assumption.
The assumption that a skilled, high quality reproduction man/company is producing the exact copy of an original is not a good assumption if you don't have the documentation/research on the original pieces for comparison/quality control.
So where is the P11 documentation on - Exhaust pipes, airbox, plate holder, fender braces, gaskets, kickstand, oil lines, many rubber pieces, nuts, bolts, and many things I cant recall right now ? Seats, wire harness, headlight, skid plate, handlebars, graphics, Etc.

 

[p400]

I am fitting new Amals, as the oem Amals were too needy. and at looking at the existing fuel lines I have these square body fuel tees. Bill or anyone know if these, shown here in photo, are oem fuel tees 02-1844 ?

After reviewing the period pictures, pics recently posted above, it is apparent to me that the tee fittings I show in the photos, previous page, are indeed the correct period pieces. square body with double bulbs on each leg.

 

[p400]

I am shopping for replacement Norton # 000950 oil hose, listed as 1/2" neoprene hose. This is to replace the hoses from the oil tank to the engine. What came off the P11 for both oil hoses to the tank was 3/8" vapor fuel hose. What are owners using for this hose please?
The Commando uses the same hose, I posted part of the parts book IPB for this post

 

[hrwat1]

Quick query - What is the inner and outer length of the P11 front brake cable?
I bought one from a supplier and it is a tad short but I think it is because I have a different hub (the lever is straight and at the bottom front of the hub rather than top front - meaning there needs to be an extra couple of inches of wire).

If:
- anyone has the original measurements, that would be great; and
- if anyone has the hub described above, and the measurements, that would also be great!

Thanks
Huw