Stuart Garner Sentenced

It is only a motorcycle. People get dudded all the time and the results are often much more devastating. 'It is the way of the future' now that neoliberalism is the prevailing economic philosophy. In the 19th century, it was also open-slather. That was when the Vanderbilts and J.P.Morgan got obscenely wealthy. The theory is the rich employ the poor and wealth trickles down, In Australia, the middle-class is disappearing, you are either rich or poor, and there is no way up.

Just a weak slap on the wrist for another white-collar thief. Should get the same punishment as any common felon who robs a convenience store.

During all the illegal immigration hoopla, I proposed jailing the employers who hire illegals and when there were no more illegal jobs, illegal aliens would stay home. But that would make sense.

Danno said:

Just a weak slap on the wrist for another white-collar thief. Should get the same punishment as any common felon who robs a convenience store.

During all the illegal immigration hoopla, I proposed jailing the employers who hire illegals and when there were no more illegal jobs, illegal aliens would stay home. But that would make sense.

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The real problem lies with the totally inadequate and incompetent members of the judicial system. Had Garner committed this fraud back in the days of the Great Train Robbery, he would have got at least a 30 year custodial sentence, and in many peoples opinion, that's what he should have received, not the pathetic slap on the wrist he got away with.

Members of the judicial system cannot invent ways to control people such as Stuart Garner. Politicians must do that. The prevailing economic phil0sophy is neoliberalism. Neoliberalism is DEREUGULATION. - 'the free market takes care of everything'. However that creates the opportunity to exploit and the need for stronger watchdogs. The watchdogs are usually underfunded, so have no teeth. The situation is becoming as it was in the US in the 19th century, when the mega-rich made their money.

In Australia, people get the justice they can afford. If Stuart Garmer had copped a big penalty, how long could he keep the courts busy with appeals ? He would probably play the victim. It would set an example for the others.

I remember when the Somali marine piracy epidemic was escalating and the Chinese captured some of the culprits and bound and blindfolded them and executed them on video .
Chinese ships were left alone after that .
My point is ….

He is a rich business man gone wrong but he knew what he was doing was wrong and put everything he owned in his wife's name, as they do when things start to catch up to them, if it was just you and me normal folks we be locked up for years, but rich folks seem to get away with it, if you got the money you stay free.

ashman said:

He is a rich business man gone wrong but he knew what he was doing was wrong and put everything he owned in his wife's name, as they do when things start to catch up to them, if it was just you and me normal folks we be locked up for years, but rich folks seem to get away with it, if you got the money you stay free.

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Putting everything in the wife's name shows the depth of his criminal mind as he sensed impending civil suits if thing go wrong as they did and his assets which are fraudulently in spouses name are now un touchable it's all part of making a scoundrel judgment proof, however there are time consideration so it could back fire and he could still lose assets. What a dirt bag too bad he's associated with a fine motor company.

ashman said:

He is a rich business man gone wrong but he knew what he was doing was wrong and put everything he owned in his wife's name, as they do when things start to catch up to them, if it was just you and me normal folks we be locked up for years, but rich folks seem to get away with it, if you got the money you stay free.

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He is a rich business man who did what the do, and got caught. But do you really think he was worried ? I will bet he did not even have one sleepless night. If you are a dumb shit like me, you cannot away with anything. But for some people the rules are different. When I was a kid, I used to collect money from people who'd had milk delivered. The amounts were typically about 20 dollars. But a few bills were hundreds of dollars. I asked my boss about them. He said ' do not worry, they will pay'. Some people have indefinite credit, and zero culpability.

If you do not have expectations, you will never be disappointed. In a few weeks Australia will have a federal election. Many people expect things to be different after that. You have got to have a sense of humour even when things are not funny. I look at big fat jerks and cannot help laughing. We have got some real beauties.

A lot has to do with intent, but some things just evolve. I doubt anyone has the brains to pre-plan such a scam in it's entirety. In any case the 961 Norton actually exists - that must mean something.

And yet there are still some out there who think it is the pensioners faults and treat garner like a God. Truly outstanding, as some of them clearly have no clue of the Norton history either.

Some suggest he achieved something in producing the 961, maybe had he recognised its true worth and the customer demand for it, he could be sentence free and lot richer by now and still producing the 961 and other models - if he could not see it was there for the taking, then maybe he is just the layman he claims to be, or the bikes he produced were just a smoke screen for his true intentions.

Again, some need to remove their rose tinted goggles, ''he did more for Norton than any other owner since the 70's'' really, then why are TVS trying to sort the mess he left behind. Realistically, he did more damage to the brand than any other owner since the 70's. Before some slate other owners of Norton they should check their version of Norton history to see those who, since the 70's, were very instrumental in getting the brand where it is today.
If anyone thinks it was just pensioners money that went missing, think again, the government grants - yes, YOUR UK TAXPAYERS money will not been seen again, strange why some fail to see this as victimless crime when clearly the pensioners and UK taxpayers have all contributed in the tenure of Garner, one to think about. These same critics and supporters, even now of Garner, seem to behold the 961's they own, oh really, the same 961's built with fake parts and faults, he had no qualms selling you. - some champion of the brand they worship.

What happened in the end to the customers bikes that were in for service and parts were removed to complete bikes coming off the assembly line?

His expertise was in 'financial' engineering . Try looking for Spondon Engineering...

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What happened in the end to the customers bikes that were in for service and parts were removed to complete bikes coming off the assembly line?

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TVS detailed all the info and passed it onto the liquidators so the owners could make a claim, so they are waiting for how many pennies in the £ are left at final payout. As the stealing of £16m of pension money seems not to be a crime maybe stealing peter to pay paul with owners parts could be the next criminal proceedings to result in more wrist slapping.

Oldmikew , not sure why you selected just that part of my post. That little part is actually a quote from acotrel, and couldn't be more off the mark regarding Garner's product.
You'll need to read the complete post, better yet the complete thread.


Glen

Clearly from what I have seen elsewhere, many don't have a grasp of the history upto the point Garner managed to get hold of the TM. I will put something together over the next few weeks complete with links and publish it in a new thread. With many organisations in North America, Europe and the UK now putting more of their historic records online it is now easier to timeline events and detail those involved.

I think you are sweating over lost money. When I retired, I also got divorced. My ex asked for half my super and I gave it to her and paid the tax on it, because she was there when it was earned. I also did not want her to end up living in a car, as so many do these days. Then the GFC happened and I lost half of the rest of my super. Financial advisors are like real estate agents - you never know whom they are working for. They point you towards financial products which have trailing fees. And if the fees amount to 10% of your annual contribution, the benefit when you retire is drastically reduced. But nobody ever complains.
Stuart Garner is small fry when we are being got at every inch of the way. In Australia, probably the best thing you can do with super is to spend it as soon as you retire.
As for Stuart Garner being a criminal, most of what he did was simply legally opportunistic.
There is a difference between prescriptive and performance-based legislation. Most laws are still prescriptive - you can never have enough rules to make any situation risk -free. Our whole economy would cease to operate.
With Stuart Garner, there is the matter of intent. What he did could have simply evolved, or the whole thing could have been carefully planned, with the intent to defraud. Performance-based legislation might provide a better way of controlling people such as Garner. But it is unlikely to ever happen, too many rich people would be poorer.