States' Rights? Trump to Ban California from Making Its Own Laws

Onder said:
You get two choices when you vote in the USA. You know who the last two were. Most of the time people vote against the one they dislike more.
I sort of find it amusing to note that each side thinks the other side is Sayton's choice if not Sayton hisself.
Perhaps you noted something similar a few days ago here?
...and oh yeah....Happy Boxing Day, now go bolt those prezzies onto the Norton.
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Usually, the election of 2016 excepted, you get two choices when you vote, both of whom are hand picked for you by the oligarchs in charge. You only get to think your vote mattered.

Slick
 
You know, I hear a lot of the "both sides are terrible" "lesser of two evils" BS these days.

Truth is, both parties ARE NOT THE SAME.
Go look at the senate voting record if you want a clear depiction of just how shitty the Republican party has become.
 
texasSlick said:
Usually, the election of 2016 excepted, you get two choices when you vote, both of whom are hand picked for you by the oligarchs in charge. You only get to think your vote mattered.

Slick
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Guess which party ALWAYS votes against campaign finance reform?
 
NPeteN said:
You know, I hear a lot of the "both sides are terrible" "lesser of two evils" BS these days.

Truth is, both parties ARE NOT THE SAME.
Go look at the senate voting record if you want a clear depiction of just how shitty the Republican party has become.
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Nonsense Pete,... cite specific examples. Cut the "go look at,... blah blah blah" as an argument. Cite your proof, don't ask me to go look somewhere and claim that the proof is there. When I look and find nothing, you'll still claim it's there, just that I can't find it... Make an actual argument, not just claim there's valid arguments out there...

I'm old, I've seen enough "UFO" and "Finding Bigfoot" shows and the like, to know the difference between claiming, we know that the proof is out there... and citing proof.

Money wins elections... both parties are actually against campaign finance reform, in spite of the lip service you hear from either of them.

Merry Christmas Pete!
 
Merry Christmas to you to Frank.
Hope you and everyone here is enjoying friends and family. I am enjoying not working outdoors for a bit.

Campaign finance disclosure vote.
Dems for: 59 Rep for: 0
Dems against: 0 Rep against: 39

Ditto for campaign reform

Backup paper ballots.
Dems for: 54 Rep for: 0
Rep against: 45 Dem against: 0

American infrastructure jobs act of 2011
Dems for 55. Reps for 0

I don't want to keep trping the rest of these so I'll just type the bills, all of which Republicans have voted against.

Employment non descrimination act
Limits on debt
Protecting women's rights from corporate employment descrimination act.
Teen pregnancy education act.
Paycheck fairness act.
Minimum wage act.
Student loan affordability act.

I type all this crap on my phone, it's a PITA, easier for you guys to do some research. These are all bills that would directly benefit the American people.

Senate voting records are publicly available, I can provide you a nice easy link if so desired.
 
And since I was alluding directly to campaign Finance reform acts, here are links to the vote counts.


Campaign Finance Reform Act:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll034.xml

Campaign Finance Disclosure:
https://votesmart.org/bill/votes/32154#.XgV0pFNOkSE

And yes, I realize these were passed in the house and will probably never see a vote in the senate. McConnel doesn't want big money out of politics because the direct result will be more Democrats elected.

Democrats introduce a bill to severely limit the influence of money on elections and the Republican senate majority leader refuses to allow a vote on it. Why do you all think that is? Want me to provide some more links or what?
 
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I can understand why a wealthy person might vote Republican, but no way in hell can I understand why those of meager means vote for a Republican.
 
JimC said:
I can understand why a wealthy person might vote Republican, but no way in hell can I understand why those of meager means vote for a Republican.
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"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

-Ronald Wright
 
Republican politicians treat the less than wealthy who support them like a country rube at a carnival.
 
NPeteN said:
Merry Christmas to you to Frank.
Hope you and everyone here is enjoying friends and family. I am enjoying not working outdoors for a bit.

Campaign finance disclosure vote.
Dems for: 59 Rep for: 0
Dems against: 0 Rep against: 39

Ditto for campaign reform

Backup paper ballots.
Dems for: 54 Rep for: 0
Rep against: 45 Dem against: 0

American infrastructure jobs act of 2011
Dems for 55. Reps for 0

I don't want to keep trping the rest of these so I'll just type the bills, all of which Republicans have voted against.

Employment non descrimination act
Limits on debt
Protecting women's rights from corporate employment descrimination act.
Teen pregnancy education act.
Paycheck fairness act.
Minimum wage act.
Student loan affordability act.

I type all this crap on my phone, it's a PITA, easier for you guys to do some research. These are all bills that would directly benefit the American people.

Senate voting records are publicly available, I can provide you a nice easy link if so desired.
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NOW that's a real argument Pete... Christmas was relaxing and uneventful. I'm on a job where the builder has the heat on,.. thankfully.

Interestingly, Obama added more debt than all the previous presidents combined... so it's ironic that democrats vote for debt limits. I have an interesting article written about them that compares our debt practices to a family budget... I should post it

employment non discrimination act... everyone is discriminated against Pete. I have been many times in jobs I've had. I also got some good breaks and was treated well because of privelidge based on my dad's status at a company I worked at. People these days act like the 60's civil rights movement never happened.

These sound like democratic party policy positions. I'd have to read them all to respond intelligently..

Protecting women's rights from corporate employment descrimination act.
Teen pregnancy education act.
Paycheck fairness act.
Minimum wage act.

I did read a good article about the college loan situation. I have to find it again.


NPeteN said:
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

-Ronald Wright
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how fucking profound of Ronald Wright... If only I was as elequent as he in my own plagerism of John Steinbeck... Either way, it's a fanciful quip that neither man was ever poor enough to know the meaning of first hand. It's less of a "great truth" and more of a thing to say at some elitest party to sound profound.
 
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JimC said:
Republican politicians treat the less than wealthy who support them like a country rube at a carnival.
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Give an example of your comment. Which politician? how do you know each person's wealth? I think you watch too much CNN and MSNBC... It sounds like something one of their low IQ talking heads would say, like chuck todd or Morning Joe...
 
o0norton0o said:
Give an example of your comment. Which politician? how do you know each person's wealth? I think you watch too much CNN and MSNBC... It sounds like something one of their low IQ talking heads would say, like chuck todd or Morning Joe...
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The quip is not from anyone else. Unlike many on the right, I do not parrot media talking heads.

You sound much like one of the country rubes the Republican politicians love to hear from. Especially on Election Day.
 
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My goodness believing in either party seems pretty much a fool's errand. Both sides are interested in themselves first party second you last.
If, perchance, you live stateside in CA or NYS, your vote means nothing because they are one party states. You can only vote with your feet.
Once you reach a certain age all politics is transparent. Most people with a grain of sense worry about themselves because if they dont government sure isnt going to take care of them despite what they tell you.
 
It’s not as much as believing in a political party as it is which party will make life harder for me.

I’ve been retired for twenty years. Union pension and Social Security benefits. Medicare, too. The three would not exist were it up to Republicans.
 
The United States is the only country I know of that you can be bankrupted if you become seriously ill. Yet those on the right oppose any effort to correct this travesty.
 
o0norton0o said:
how fucking profound of Ronald Wright... If only I was as elequent as he in my own plagerism of John Steinbeck... Either way, it's a fanciful quip that neither man was ever poor enough to know the meaning of first hand. It's less of a "great truth" and more of a thing to say at some elitest party to sound profound.
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Agreed.

But it doesn't take a poor man to see the writing on the wall.

I don't have the luxury of giving up on the government. I have no pension, probably no social security, shitty health insurance and another 60 years to live. I can't just opt out and make cynical remarks from the sidelines.

So what do I do? I vote for the person I think has mine and my families best interests at heart. That person is not a Republican.
 
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JimC said:
The quip is not from anyone else. Unlike many on the right, I do not parrot media talking heads.

You sound much like one of the country rubes the Republican politicians love to hear from. Especially on Election Day.
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The talking head said 1 + 1 = 2 I don't "parrot" as much as I agree. You seem to think calling me a "one of the country rubes" is a good argument. It sounds more like you're out of arguments to me.

JimC said:
It’s not as much as believing in a political party as it is which party will make life harder for me.

I’ve been retired for twenty years. Union pension and Social Security benefits. Medicare, too. The three would not exist were it up to Republicans.
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Yeah, I get it. You're in your later years so you vote for the party who hands out the benefits for votes, and hands the taxpayers the bill. I don't think you're a "rube" for voting in your own self interest, but I think there's another side of the coin to the most of the hand out mentality. At some point, much like our national debt the shit is going to hit the fan.

From day 1, I knew the ACA was going to be something other than "affordable". They name sports arenas and football stadiums after insurance companies. They aren't going to help make healthcare cost less, and neither are hospitals. I had a cardio stress test done for my high blood pressure. The bill was $3,400. for 20 minutes of the doctor's time. He looked at my heart sonograms and ran out of the room. When I grabbed him to say, "I have questions", he said, "I'm busy, you're fine." and left. While good health care is a blessing when you need it, it's also a business where hospitals, insurance companies, and drug companies are used to high profits. The problem isn't the quality of care,... the problem is the cost. I digressed here, but my point is that YOU may vote for the dem's because you are on the recieving end of your well deserved benefits. Many don't vote for them because they are on the paying end...
 
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