Question about Brexit



What do you Britains think of Simon Heffer?

He describes his politics as that if a “Gladstonian Liberal.”
 
I've always enjoyed seeing these two on Question Time, neither of them plays to the crowd or says anything for effect.
Just watched both interviews and have to say I agree with a lot of what both said, except Simon Heffer regarding Thatcher as I despised her and what she did to the North of England and particularly the miners.
They both seem to have the same thoughts as I do about Brexit (although they express themselves much better than I can)
The last 3 or 4 minutes of Melanie Phillips is particularly impressive.
 
Pushed it n rode it said:
Non of my veggie, vegan friends have ever cooked me a good roast dinner, but expect me to boil them a cabbage for Xmas. And they are green in colour. Still invite them as good company and most like beer . We chew the fat or soya protein well and agree to disagree , but always part as mates !!!!
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Your veggie friends should come to where I go for Xmas dinner, there is a big and I mean BIG bowl of Brussels sprouts which I try to avoid, we have to open the windows!
 
acotrel said:
If you have an aging population, you need to get workers from somewhere, otherwise the alternative is to increase the retirement age.
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well guess what? they've raised the retirement age. and i'll tell you another thing. i'm sick of seeing 40yr old Nepalese retired while our ex servicemen live on the streets! and I and many like me are paying for them. and that is a fact. not prejudice rhetoric!!!!
 
trident sam said:
I've always enjoyed seeing these two on Question Time, neither of them plays to the crowd or says anything for effect.
Just watched both interviews and have to say I agree with a lot of what both said, except Simon Heffer regarding Thatcher as I despised her and what she did to the North of England and particularly the miners.
They both seem to have the same thoughts as I do about Brexit (although they express themselves much better than I can)
The last 3 or 4 minutes of Melanie Phillips is particularly impressive.
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sorry trident. i'll have to disagree there. scargill brought down the miners. he was on a salary and took them all out on strike whilst he 1st drew that years wages. and I remember the 3 day week and power cuts that did for heath. no way should any union have the power to bring down a democratically voted government. as for buying cheaper coal from Poland? I put a tender in for work. if they don't like the price. they go else where. last 2 recessions cost over a million construction jobs! where was your outrage then?
 
Re; “Scargill brought down the miners.” I have to agree – Scargill was President of the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) and for some god forsaken reason never called a union Ballot to come out on strike- which irked Thatcher. Hence the later Union laws to prevent repeated occurrences.
 
Pushed it n rode it said:
Non of my veggie, vegan friends have ever cooked me a good roast dinner, but expect me to boil them a cabbage for Xmas. And they are green in colour. Still invite them as good company and most like beer . We chew the fat or soya protein well and agree to disagree , but always part as mates !!!!
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the whole dinner vegan,, vegetarian? wouldn't want to use your toilet boxing day!
 
xbacksideslider said:
And, what about Melanie Phillips?i
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Wow!
Frightening how what both speakers are talking about is totally relevant to political discourse in the US right now too.
I thought it was just politics in the US going to hell in a hand basket in a hurry.
Sad state for the world I suppose.
 
freddie1105 said:
sorry trident. i'll have to disagree there. scargill brought down the miners. he was on a salary and took them all out on strike whilst he 1st drew that years wages. and I remember the 3 day week and power cuts that did for heath. no way should any union have the power to bring down a democratically voted government. as for buying cheaper coal from Poland? I put a tender in for work. if they don't like the price. they go else where. last 2 recessions cost over a million construction jobs! where was your outrage then?
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Oh, I didn't like Scargill either but Thatcher set out to deliberately break any union power and she started with the NUM as it was the strongest. She also sent coppers up to break miners heads, bang out of order , she was also quite prepared to see my city of Liverpool go to shit, Southerners have no concept of what it was like in the North under Thatcher.
Where do you get that I don't care about construction jobs being lost ? I care about every damned job being lost !
 
Bernhard said:
Your veggie friends should come to where I go for Xmas dinner, there is a big and I mean BIG bowl of Brussels sprouts which I try to avoid, we have to open the windows!
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I love em! Bit windy afterwards according to the boss, but she loves them too. Keeps the house warm if you don't open the windows.
 
freddie1105 said:
well guess what? they've raised the retirement age. and i'll tell you another thing. i'm sick of seeing 40yr old Nepalese retired while our ex servicemen live on the streets! and I and many like me are paying for them. and that is a fact. not prejudice rhetoric!!!!
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I presume you mean ghurkas who did nothing to get us out of various scrapes cos they got paid for it and then should have just gone home ???
 
trident sam said:
Oh, I didn't like Scargill either but Thatcher set out to deliberately break any union power and she started with the NUM as it was the strongest. She also sent coppers up to break miners heads, bang out of order , she was also quite prepared to see my city of Liverpool go to shit, Southerners have no concept of what it was like in the North under Thatcher.
Where do you get that I don't care about construction jobs being lost ? I care about every damned job being lost !
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during the industrial revolution. you have no idea what it was like down here! southerners? now we are are getting closer to the crux! didn't miners drop concrete from bridges? always the victim
 
You weren't involved in the industrial revolution unless you are 180 years old, always the victim bull shit ! I never said I was a victim and nor did most people here , they just wanted a fair crack of the whip.
 
You do want to ask why jobs seem to be required to be lifetime if not longer. If you live in a place where the jobs dry up you up stakes and head out.
Yes I know you might own a house have kids in school etc but part of life is looking ahead and before you get yourself nailed down you might want to
ship out.
I left home and I didnt like it but half way through life I could see I HAD to go where the money was or else.
 
As many Cornish had to, is it still the poorest county in Britain ? But stunning for us Emmet's. No more China clay pyramids left from my childhood and milk rivers. Thankfully. Par ?
 
trident sam said:
I've always enjoyed seeing these two on Question Time, neither of them plays to the crowd or says anything for effect.
Just watched both interviews and have to say I agree with a lot of what both said, except Simon Heffer regarding Thatcher as I despised her and what she did to the North of England and particularly the miners.
They both seem to have the same thoughts as I do about Brexit (although they express themselves much better than I can)
The last 3 or 4 minutes of Melanie Phillips is particularly impressive.
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For all the criticism thrown at Thatcher's policies, (not you Sam), I have always wondered why her reforms were not overthrown by the Labor governments that followed her.

From over here, it appeared that Labor could never admit that decades of their policies had driven UK industry/economy way down and that Thatcher's reversals were actually good for the common man. This is not to deny the negatives Sam cites but just to say that on balance Labor knew she was right and that it was party suicide to reverse the Thatcher government's reforms.
 
BritTwit said:
Wow!
Frightening how what both speakers are talking about is totally relevant to political discourse in the US right now too.
I thought it was just politics in the US going to hell in a hand basket in a hurry.
Sad state for the world I suppose.
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Yes, the Brexit/Trump phenomena fractures the traditional left/right construct. For generations, the numerically dominant middle class/labor/bourgeois constituencies have been lied to and exploited by both the left and the right.

Those lies continue.

Tory/Republican leadership take their middle class/propertied/bourgeois voters for granted. Labor/Democrat leadership take their union, renting, and minority households for granted too.

It could be that Trump/Brexit signal a great awakening that is in process right now but that we are too close to to see. Great political shifts usually happen that way. Those close to the action are blinkered by their habitual or traditional or doctrinaire ways of thinking. Both left and right are subject to hidebound thinking.
 
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