Mid-Ohio race did not go well

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Al-otment said:
Hey Steve, look, I'm being disingenuous again! - not. Read a dictionary definition. I've got a one note trumpet because I keep hearing a one note tune of how every Norton/classic bike owner should be ever so grateful for a shop supplying spares at a healthy profit. Did you remember to say thank you to the relevant suppliers for all the parts that gave you grief?

SteveA said:
I am pissed mainly because am trying to build a race engine without the appropriate time to do it....these things do happen, but I am having more issues than I expected...due to components....not only these. Don't think I am pissed off with individuals, thats not where we are.
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disingenuous
ˌdɪsɪnˈdʒɛnjʊəs/
adjective
adjective: disingenuous

not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
"this journalist was being somewhat disingenuous as well as cynical"
synonyms: dishonest, deceitful, underhand, underhanded, duplicitous, double-dealing, two-faced, dissembling, insincere, false, lying, untruthful, mendacious;
not candid, not frank, not entirely truthful;
artful, cunning, crafty, wily, sly, sneaky, tricky, scheming, calculating, designing, devious, unscrupulous;
informalshifty, foxy;
humorouseconomical with the truth, terminologically inexact;
archaicsubtle, hollow-hearted;
rarefalse-hearted, double-faced, truthless, unveracious
"it would be disingenuous of us to pretend ignorance of our book's impact"
antonyms: ingenuous, frank
 
Not Kidding! BANG the simple engine part was over but the lingering suspense phase just stated - which Doug left vital details out. We've seen the video of Kenny on a Seeley siezure taken down to lay there a while. Any video/audio? I admit I've gone to races to watch the crashes.
 
I always get a laugh out of the crashes at race meetings unless the rider ends up motionless on the ground. I'm extremely happy it is not me out there, bouncing all over the landscape. 'Been there, done that'. It is amazing how you learn to cope with it. These days I can usually ride the bike to the ground and only have a little get-off. When I started they were often big cartwheels. You have got to know when to get your hands off the handle bars.
 
Hi Doug , sorry to see the pics and hear of the carnage.
And I thought my little incident with a split DS case after my last outing at Hampton Downs was bad enough!!!
Do you want to try a set of billet cases from NZ , the same as comnoz and I have ?
I am sure there is a couple of sets left, would suit the Carillo rods and Full Auto head
Regards Mike
 
Hi Mike;

What are the billet cases you are referring to? You can PM me the details if you like.

Thanks! -Doug.
 
Hi Doug, your motor was quite catastrophic no where near as bad as my DS split case , all my internals I can use again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRAM9Ziysk
Link for Norton Cases

I have a set , I bought two sets, swapped a set with Jim Comstock for a fettered Full Auto head

Mid-Ohio race did not go well


Tony Stanwell here had them made , they are way stronger than Maney cases

I can contact Tony id you are interested, he has a few sets left
Regards Mike
Mid-Ohio race did not go well
 
I honestly don't know which made me cry more, the pictures of the broken engine or some of the comments. :cry:
 
I can contact Tony id you are interested, he has a few sets left
Regards Mike
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Hey Mike; Those cases look awesome; for sure give me any info on them- they appear however worryingly expensive...
Thanks, Doug
 
Those are lovely cases, and I too lust after them, but a broken rod at high rpm will pretty much trash any case. I don't think Doug's problem had much to do with how strong the cases are.

Andy you're right Doug, they are "worryingly expensive."

Ken
 
Hi Ken and Doug, probably no more expensive than doing several rebuilds with your guys history of race motors and breakages for what ever reason, experimental or just plain bad luck, anyway will get the info to you soonest
You guys just need the USD NZD exchange rate to swing in your favour!!!!

Regards Mike
 
SteveA said:
SteveA said:
I am pissed mainly because am trying to build a race engine without the appropriate time to do it....these things do happen, but I am having more issues than I expected...due to components....not only these. Don't think I am pissed off with individuals, thats not where we are.
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disingenuous
ˌdɪsɪnˈdʒɛnjʊəs/
adjective
adjective: disingenuous

not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
"this journalist was being somewhat disingenuous as well as cynical"
synonyms: dishonest, deceitful, underhand, underhanded, duplicitous, double-dealing, two-faced, dissembling, insincere, false, lying, untruthful, mendacious;
not candid, not frank, not entirely truthful;
artful, cunning, crafty, wily, sly, sneaky, tricky, scheming, calculating, designing, devious, unscrupulous;
informalshifty, foxy;
humorouseconomical with the truth, terminologically inexact;
archaicsubtle, hollow-hearted;
rarefalse-hearted, double-faced, truthless, unveracious
"it would be disingenuous of us to pretend ignorance of our book's impact"
antonyms: ingenuous, frank
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That's quite a list. Exactly which dictionary(s) did you get this definition from or have you, as I think, added a few extra adjectives for effect? I don't see how any of the above relates to my comments on this thread - I've put forward an honest opinion.

Look forward to seeing you at Cadwell - that's me being disingenuous.

Doug, do you need any help with your laundry bill?
 
Weakest link takes out the strongest links so consider this expensive billet cases chances with what Doug said let go 1st. Fixing an obvious flat is good but clearing the path of nails is better. Why are we not discussing the lifter issue with cam bow flexing? Doug mentioned a ligther lifter kit that we may want to know more about that dynamic. The biggest issue in the most elite racers is getting vital components light enough not to break or loose control in frame, forks to valve train. Win race on Sunday to sell bikes on Monday made Norton fame in 50's thru 70's and gave us the still capable Commando so supporting your favorite racers and vendors pays back to all of us.
 
[quote="Al-otment"

that's me being disingenuous.
I've put forward an honest opinion.
Doug, do you need any help with your laundry bill? quote]

Opinions are like farts – everyone has more of them than you’d care to hear and some of them stink to high heaven.
CNN
 
CanukNortonNut said:
[quote="Al-otment"

that's me being disingenuous.
I've put forward an honest opinion.
Doug, do you need any help with your laundry bill? quote]

Opinions are like farts – everyone has more of them than you’d care to hear and some of them stink to high heaven.
CNN
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Thanks for that most informative of opinions Canuknortonnut - a scholar of philosophy I'll wager. Though you're possibly suffering from a case of sense of humour gone awol.
 
These lightweight Carrillo rods don't break and the bolts are good for life if not over tightened. Their longer length gives them a better rod stroke ratio than stock (they use shorter pistons).

Mid-Ohio race did not go well


JS lightweight bushless Carrillo rods for DLC coated pins.
small end weight 105 grams
big end weight 327


Off the shelf stock type Norton Carrillo rods
small end weight 135 grams
big end weight 336
 
Still waiting to discuss the lifter issue Doug mentioned as first item to let go. Did a valve stick to bind up or valve float to unbind push rod or cam bowing jam lifter or lifter bind to fracture? Am i only one seeing his report as similar to pulling a little pin out instead of only dealing with the resultant big grenade parts letting go? I well know a cam shaft can be bowed by rod end and other stuff smacking it with flywheel back up after something else quit 1st.

i put on 8 ply tires to stop the constant flats by flint chip points, fencing wire & barbs and small nails but construction size nail or screw still does occasional. Also lost one these tough tires on trip to Ohio, I let a shop fix a nail I couldn't pull out on my own but they put hub cap over the valve stem unknown to me, so a month later the grit and bouncing wore through the brass valve going 80 so smooth and steady it was only noise over the stereo that alerted me - too late to same the tire. I want to press Peel engine of similar grade as the racers so its not academic to understand the non obvious little triggers.
 
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