I'm a newbie wishing to know what I have. (2013)

joel1 · Aug 24, 2016

L.A.B. said:
joel1 said:

However, I have questions regarding the headlamp bucket that I have.

The bucket I have has the following....
one instrument guage
one toggle switch
one ammeter

With no other holes except two mounting holes and wiring harness holes.

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That sounds like the pre-71 headlamp if, by "instrument gauge" you mean (a hole for) a warning light on the left of the (assuming centrally positioned) ammeter?

Yes the single instrument light is offset from center Ammeter and single toggle switch. Right or left I will need to double check. But I think it is left. Pic will come later this afternoon.

joel1 · Aug 24, 2016

joel1 said:
L.A.B. said:

joel1 said:

However, I have questions regarding the headlamp bucket that I have.

The bucket I have has the following....
one instrument guage
one toggle switch
one ammeter

With no other holes except two mounting holes and wiring harness holes.

Click to expand...

That sounds like the pre-71 headlamp if, by "instrument gauge" you mean (a hole for) a warning light on the left of the (assuming centrally positioned) ammeter?

Click to expand...

Yes the single instrument light is offset from center Ammeter and single toggle switch. Right or left I will need to double check. But I think it is left. Pic will come later this afternoon.

Its confirmed a single (Ruby red) instrument light is offset to the left of the ammeter. (Left is sitting on the bike seat looking down at the bucket.)

joel1 · Aug 24, 2016

I'm a newbie wishing to know what I have. (2013)

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These are the pics of the headlight bucket as well as the ignition switch. Sorry they are out of order and the ignition switch angle is poor. Their are three terminals on the switch.

L.A.B. · Aug 24, 2016

joel1 said:
These are the pics of the headlight bucket as well as the ignition switch. Sorry they are out of order and the ignition switch angle is poor. Their are three terminals on the switch.

Photos are small, but they look like typical pre-'71 Commando parts.

grandpaul · Aug 24, 2016

The wiring harness may require a bit of addition and subtraction. DO NOT cut any wires! Buy some heat shrink tubing and connect in with either male or female connectors and same-colored wire to re-route to appropriate positions. Run them all in place, loosely, then test everything, Once it is all proven, insert shrink tubing in place on new and unused connections, then heat it with a hair dryer or small gas torch held away a few inches. Loom together multiple wires, and tie-wrap the additions to the main harness neatly. voila!

joel1 · Aug 27, 2016

Yesterday I received the wiring harness. And it appears that all the connections will connect right up except for those ends that connect to the headlight bucket and handlebar lever controls. The handle bar lever controls wire ends and headlight bucket wires wire ends are bullet connector ends. The new harness has the newer style flat squaring female connectors.

Do the handle bar lever controls wiring connections get connected to the main harness inside the headlight bucket?

I'm off to the store to purchase connectors.

I did receive the foot pegs and I think I must have ordered the wrong ones. The pegs screw on just fine. Except the threaded shank on the foot pegs is too long. It thread all the way through the support and comes 1/4 inch from hitting the primary and gearbox.

Anyhow I will be spending the day in the garage doing wiring.

grandpaul · Aug 27, 2016

You can loctite the footpegs into the mounts, tighten and allow to cure, then chop or grind off the ends.

Deets55 · Aug 27, 2016

I might be wrong but isn't there suppose to be a nut that goes on the that footpeg post to lock it on? Post screws into bracket, then the nut goes on.

Pete

grandpaul · Aug 27, 2016

Could be the frame / mounting tabs are slightly bent from a previous crash.

Those nuts will contact the case covers if so.

You could always mount the peg mounts, then slip a lever in between and give it a bit of a nudge to see if you can gain 1/4" or so. Gently!

maylar · Aug 27, 2016

joel1 said:
I did receive the foot pegs and I think I must have ordered the wrong ones. The pegs screw on just fine. Except the threaded shank on the foot pegs is too long. It thread all the way through the support and comes 1/4 inch from hitting the primary and gearbox.

There should be a 7/16-20 nut on the footrest peg. And yes, they come close the primary and gearbox. My primary cover has a small ding where the shaft hit when the bike fell over on that side one day.

joel1 · Aug 27, 2016

I didn't see any nuts lying in the bucket that fit the foot pegs. I'm going to leave them the way they are for now. In the meantime I'm going to focus my attention on the wiring.

In saying that I need to purchase a battery. Any suggestions to where to purchase one locally? (Stateside). Walmart, autozone, O'reillys, Advance, Napa?

joel1 · Aug 27, 2016

I found a foot peg nut under the parts box. Unbelievable. Lol

I'm at old Britts wiring diagrams. Commando single phase alternator, Commando charging diagram three phase alternator, with a voltage regulator/rectifier, commando charging diagram single phase alternator with a voltage regulator/Rectifier, and or Commando Stock charging diagram single phase alternator, rectifier and zener.

I'm almost certain I have the commando stock charging diagram single phase alternator, rectifier &zener.

At has two wires coming from it. Green/yellow and white/green,. The bike has 1 zener and 1 rectifier.

When in doubt I'm going back to grandpauls and LABS wiring diagram

L.A.B. · Aug 27, 2016

joel1 said:
Do the handle bar lever controls wiring connections get connected to the main harness inside the headlight bucket?

No. As you are using the '71- harness and (I think) you have the '71- Lucas switch clusters, they connect to the harness at the main junction under the fuel tank.

joel1 · Aug 27, 2016

Thank you L.A.B. I will wire the connections up under the gas tank area.

I aquired a 3 position Norton switch today. As a result it wired right up without any troubles.

With the key in the first positin I now have a warning light. Slowly but surely the bike is getting energized.

L.A.B. · Aug 27, 2016

joel1 said:
With the key in the first positin I now have a warning light.

This is where you are likely to run into a few problems because you are wiring it as a '71 but the headlamp assembly (ammeter and one red warning light) is pre-'71 spec.

If you intend to connect the ammeter then some minor alterations need to be made to the wiring (horn and charge output connections).

Also, the single pre-'71 red light was for high beam warning.

On '71- the ammeter was replaced by two additional warning lights, red was then used for ignition/charge warning, amber/yellow for direction indicators (not always fitted to early models) and green for high beam.

joel1 · Aug 27, 2016

L.A.B. said:
joel1 said:

With the key in the first positin I now have a warning light.

Click to expand...

This is where you are likely to run into a few problems because you are wiring it as a '71 but the headlamp assembly (ammeter and one red warning light) is pre-'71 spec.

If you intend to connect the ammeter then some minor alterations need to be made to the wiring (horn and charge output connections).

Also, the single pre-'71 red light was for high beam warning.

On '71- the ammeter was replaced by two additional warning lights, red was then used for ignition/charge warning, amber/yellow for direction indicators (not always fitted to early models) and green for high beam.

That is exactly where I am at. Frustrating trying to get the wiring fitted to the ignition system. Coils and capicitors. I think I have more wire than I need or the wiring diagrams aren't exactly match g my harness, or ?...

With that being said, A friend mentioned that I may have a bsa headlight bucket. And as you say LAB they (Norton) did not have an ammeter. So my fried suggested not running a ammeter. Idk?

I'm frustrated at the moment. I'm going stop looking at it for a while.

L.A.B. · Aug 27, 2016

joel1 said:
A friend mentioned that I may have a bsa headlight bucket. And as you say LAB they (Norton) did not have an ammeter.

I didn't say early Commandos did not have an ammeter. :?
Your description and tiny photo suggest it's the early headlamp assembly as fitted to pre-'71 models (below).
Nevertheless, whether Norton, BSA or otherwise, the problems will be the same if you intend to connect the ammeter.

APRRSV · Aug 27, 2016

Wasn't the pre-71 Commando warning light green. It was a high beam indicator as I remember.

Ed

L.A.B. · Aug 28, 2016

APRRSV said:
Wasn't the pre-71 Commando warning light green. It was a high beam indicator as I remember.

According to the '68 parts book, the warning light was Lucas part '38189' which is red, and there doesn't appear to have been any change of warning light part number up to '70 however, it's not impossible some could have been green.
38189
http://www.steadfastcycles.com/cart/ind ... ts_id=6457
Green is 38191
http://www.steadfastcycles.com/cart/ind ... ts_id=6456

In this brochure photo it also appears to be red rather than green.
http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Broch ... chure2.pdf

Mathar · Aug 28, 2016

My 1970 roadster still has the original headlight and fittings. The high beam warning light has a red lens.

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