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Massachusetts.
I have an opinion regarding Mass. drivers having encountered such over the years.
So who pays for the all that amperage flowing into the batteries, the state of the Feds or both?
 
I just returned from Dallas yesterday amid torrential rain that turned a 2 hour trip into 5 hours.
Lots of local flooding. In one place, 5 freeway lanes were funneled into one, because of flooding. 6 to 10 inches of water stood in low places. Driving an F150 gave me plenty of clearance to ford the standing water, but as I did so, I wondered what I would be doing if I was driving an EV?

I would be scared to death.

Slick
 
texasSlick said:
I just returned from Dallas yesterday amid torrential rain that turned a 2 hour trip into 5 hours.
Lots of local flooding. In one place, 5 freeway lanes were funneled into one, because of flooding. 6 to 10 inches of water stood in low places. Driving an F150 gave me plenty of clearance to ford the standing water, but as I did so, I wondered what I would be doing if I was driving an EV?

I would be scared to death.

Slick
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Just the 2 hour trip turning into 5 would be a nightmare in an EV.

You had plenty of charge for a two hour journey… but not 5… now you’ve gotta search for and detour to a charger… and hope it’s not out of action due to flooding when you get there…

I predict it’s gonna become common practice for EV drivers to carry small generator sets.
 
Dogsbody said:
Vehicle Excise Duty ( road tax) exemption for EVs ends next year,
www.gov.uk

Vehicle tax for electric, zero or low emission vehicles

How the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) changes from 1 April 2025 will affect your vehicle.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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GOOD ! About freakin’ time.

There was never any logic behind this in the first place !

Most of the cost of fuel is tax. EV owners get their carbon tax break right there, by not buying fuel and thus not paying all of that fuel tax.

They still use the roads though… so should contribute to the cost of the roads like all other road users.

Carbon emissions are caused by burning fuel. So if you want to tax carbon emissions, tax it at the source… the fuel. It is the ONLY logical / sensible / fair way. But they won’t increase it further cos it’ll be unpopular.

All the other ridiculous tax incentives that they do are simply methods of BRIBERY to cajole people into buying EVs who would others not do so.

Most EVs are owned by those who can afford them, ie the comfortable middle class. So we have a bizarre situation whereby the working class, who cannot afford them, are subsidising the tax breaks for those who can!

I am already intrigued by the number of people returning to ICE because their EVs are not as cheap to own as promised… incredibly hypocritical considering their reason for going EV was to ‘save the environment’…!

It’s the biggest global ‘Emperors New Clothes’ scam ever !!

Ok, I’m gonna take my pills now and have a lie down in a dark room…
 
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Lineslinger said:
Massachusetts.
I have an opinion regarding Mass. drivers having encountered such over the years.
So who pays for the all that amperage flowing into the batteries, the state of the Feds or both?
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The above images are Savannah, GA.

The money shot.


The US Citizen who pays taxes pays.

They have funneled our money to pursue their flawed green extremists ideology.

(Yes, I paid MA state tax for decades for the privilege of working in The Commonwealth)
 
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Fast Eddie said:
GOOD ! About freakin’ time.

There was never any logic behind this in the first place !

Most of the cost of fuel is tax. EV owners get their carbon tax break right there, by not buying fuel and thus not paying all of that fuel tax.

They still use the roads though… so should contribute to the cost of the roads like all other road users.

Carbon emissions are caused by burning fuel. So if you want to tax carbon emissions, tax it at the source… the fuel. It is the ONLY logical / sensible / fair way. But they won’t increase it further cos it’ll be unpopular.

All the other ridiculous tax incentives that they do are simply methods of BRIBERY to cajole people into buying EVs who would others not do so.

Most EVs are owned by those who can afford them, ie the comfortable middle class. So we have a bizarre situation whereby the working class, who cannot afford them, are subsidising the tax breaks for those who can!

I am already intrigued by the number of people returning to ICE because their EVs are not as cheap to own as promised… incredibly hypocritical considering their reason for going EV was to ‘save the environment’…!

It’s the biggest global ‘Emperors New Clothes’ scam ever !!

Ok, I’m gonna take my pills now and have a lie down in a dark room…
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How long before charging points especially those at motorway services and dedicated stations have a “ fuel “ duty added? Like LPG Autogas has vat at 20%, LPG for domestic is 5%. I know someone with a Volvo Bifuel who fills his car LPG tank with gas from his home tank. Fortunately there is no marker dye like red diesel
 
Dogsbody said:
How long before charging points especially those at motorway services and dedicated stations have a “ fuel “ duty added? Like LPG Autogas has vat at 20%, LPG for domestic is 5%. I know someone with a Volvo Bifuel who fills his car LPG tank with gas from his home tank. Fortunately there is no marker dye like red diesel
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A long time away.

The "Santa Claus" sell job of giving away our tax dollars to entice people to use this stuff will dry up.
The rich Tesla drivers just giggle at the free electricity ( paid for by the working people) and huge tax credits. The snobbish virtue signaling is just icing on the cake.
 
Dogsbody said:
How long before charging points especially those at motorway services and dedicated stations have a “ fuel “ duty added? Like LPG Autogas has vat at 20%, LPG for domestic is 5%. I know someone with a Volvo Bifuel who fills his car LPG tank with gas from his home tank. Fortunately there is no marker dye like red diesel
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They SHOULD !

Putting the infrastructure in for EV charging stations costs an absolute fortune.

How can it possibly be fair that they are somehow ‘free’ to users, meaning those who do NOT use them pay for them ?!?
 
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Here in Texas, my wife just received the renewal papers for her gas powered vehicle.
Something new! ...... a $200 additional fee if the vehicle is an EV. That's to use the roads without paying fuel taxes.
I predict AI and GPS will be billing EV owners for miles driven before long.

Slick
 
Dogsbody said:
Vehicle Excise Duty ( road tax) exemption for EVs ends next year,
www.gov.uk

Vehicle tax for electric, zero or low emission vehicles

How the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) changes from 1 April 2025 will affect your vehicle.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Won't affect the majority of sales which are fleet and company cars, the tax incentives are jaw dropping. The small amount of privates sales will drop even further and the 2nd hand prices will drop for those company cars.

www.carwow.co.uk

Company car tax on electric cars explained

Wondering about company car tax implications for EVs? Wonder no more…
www.carwow.co.uk www.carwow.co.uk

Let’s say you have an electric company car costing £40,000; 2% of £40,000 is £800 – that’s the amount of the car’s value that is taxable.

But you don’t pay all that taxable value: you pay a percentage of it based on what tax bracket your salary puts you in.

If you are a 20% tax rate payer, every year you will pay 20% of £800, so will owe the taxman £160 a year.

If you are a 40% tax rate payer, every year you will pay 40% of £800, so will owe the taxman £320 a year.

With 31% of £40,000 being £12,400, a 40% tax-bracket employee would pay £4,960 a year, or £413.33 a month, in tax.

You would therefore be looking at an annual saving of over £4,500 if you went for the electric option.
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Who would walk away from £4500 per annum
 
As I reported above, post #1173, Texas is now collecting a $200 fee to register EV's.
This is to compensate for using public roads without paying fuel taxes.

Texas fuel tax is 0.20 per gallon, thus $200 represents 1000 gallons of fuel not purchased.
An ICE getting 25 mpg gets to travel 25,000 miles over the state's roads for $200 in fuel tax.
An EV is expected to do much better mileagewise so advantage to the EV under this revenue scheme, and the Federal government is screwed out of it's 18 cents per gallon tax . EV owners have no cause to complain, until the tax authorities catch up and come up with a mile driven tax scheme such as requiring vehicles to report mileage via an uplink, arguably an invasion of privacy, but the govt always gets its pound of flesh.

Once the miles driven tax system is in place, expect that it will be extended to all vehicles, and ICE vehicles will still be paying fuel taxes at the pump. Maybe they will cut the per gallon rate because they will be double taxing us, but don't bet on it.

We shall see where this goes.

Slick
 
Here at the New Jersey shore there is a push going on from energy companies to construct wind turbines offshore in the Atlantic Ocean. Local politicians are leading the opposition for a variety of reasons- environmental concerns , impact on commercial fishing and more . I suspect the real fear is property values as many consider them eyesores. Here is the created image of what it may look like…
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.. yet many of the property owners who oppose wind turbines
drive electric cars . Apparently they don’t recognize or care what demands there will be on the electric grid when everyone drives electric cars , thus fostering the need for additional means of generating electricity.
 
Richard Tool said:
Here at the New Jersey shore there is a push going on from energy companies to construct wind turbines offshore in the Atlantic Ocean. Local politicians are leading the opposition for a variety of reasons- environmental concerns , impact on commercial fishing and more . I suspect the real fear is property values as many consider them eyesores. Here is the created image of what it may look like…
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.. yet many of the property owners who oppose wind turbines
drive electric cars . Apparently they don’t recognize or care what demands there will be on the electric grid when everyone drives electric cars , thus fostering the need for additional means of generating electricity.
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It's called HYPOCRISY. The indelible earmark.
 
Richard Tool said:
Here at the New Jersey shore there is a push going on from energy companies to construct wind turbines offshore in the Atlantic Ocean. Local politicians are leading the opposition for a variety of reasons- environmental concerns , impact on commercial fishing and more . I suspect the real fear is property values as many consider them eyesores. Here is the created image of what it may look like…
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.. yet many of the property owners who oppose wind turbines
drive electric cars . Apparently they don’t recognize or care what demands there will be on the electric grid when everyone drives electric cars , thus fostering the need for additional means of generating electricity.
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Imagine this scene with shingle or large pebbles
Grey cold sea
And a grey sky
That's the sight you'll see at many British seaside locations
Poxy windmills are everywhere
 
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