EV drawbacks

"This, as well as the infrastructure, has gotta be fixed before they can be taken remotely seriously…"

"fixed"

Sorry FE, you've been sold a bill of goods by hucksters tugging at the heartstrings of the masses.

"Infrastructure"
"Fixed"
Before you can use those terms in a meaningful conversation, you must take the time and effort to learn about electricity.

The shear volume of current required by widespread usage of EV's.

Powerplants cost billions, and we'd need to build many, many more.
Powerlines
Distribution

Where do you think this money is going to come from?
The corrupt & bankrupt government that has screwed the pooch & sold the puppies?

What kind of magic unicorn poo do you think is going to FUEL those powerplants?
 
concours said:
"This, as well as the infrastructure, has gotta be fixed before they can be taken remotely seriously…"

"fixed"

Sorry FE, you've been sold a bill of goods by hucksters tugging at the heartstrings of the masses.

"Infrastructure"
"Fixed"
Before you can use those terms in a meaningful conversation, you must take the time and effort to learn about electricity.

The shear volume of current required by widespread usage of EV's.

Powerplants cost billions, and we'd need to build many, many more.
Powerlines
Distribution

Where do you think this money is going to come from?
The corrupt & bankrupt government that has screwed the pooch & sold the puppies?

What kind of magic unicorn poo do you think is going to FUEL those powerplants?
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If you have me down as an EV fanboy, who ignores or is blind to the challenges, then you must have forgotten my numerous previous posts / rants !

I know. And I agree. Guess I’m just not as sure as you that things might be improved at some point.

But ultimately I stick by my statement, the issues I mentioned need to be ‘fixed’ before these things can remotely be considered as practical / viable.

Therefore if they’re not fixable, they ain’t never gonna be viable!

I have LONG said that Toyota have it nailed with their strategy:

EVs for short commute use.
Hybrid for medium distance and mixed use (ie the majority of normal users).
Hydrogen for long distance and commercial vehicles.

I don’t know enough about the complexities of hydrogen personally. But remain of the opinion that hybrid is the best solution for the masses.
 
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Fast Eddie said:
Not taking a charge when cold?

Is this true?
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Yes, the battery must be above 0C before it can be charged, there is a pre charge heating cycle that must be manually selected, a wait until the battery is warmed up enough before a charge can be attempted. It could have been programmed into the BMS but was not, plus it could be so cold the pre warm is not enough to get the battery above 0C hence no charge.

Norway bans electric cars from certain routes during winter months partly for this reason.
 
kommando said:
Yes, the battery must be above 0C before it can be charged, there is a pre charge heating cycle that must be manually selected, a wait until the battery is warmed up enough before a charge can be attempted. It could have been programmed into the BMS but was not, plus it could be so cold the pre warm is not enough to get the battery above 0C hence no charge.

Norway bans electric cars from certain routes during winter months partly for this reason.
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0C is BALMY 🏝️ for half of our country in January.
 
concours said:
0C is BALMY 🏝️ for half of our country in January.
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Thermal mass ;) , driving around your battery is kept warm by a heater and the electrical draw. Park up indoors in a garage and it takes a long time to drop temp plus if charging then its heater will kick in. Its parking outside for long periods in cold temps that is causing the problem and once the battery is cold its mass is so big even if the temperatures rise it will take a long time before it recovers internally.
 
An electric vehicle will never be a viable source of transportation for future global needs/requirements and time will show me correct on this.
The whole concept creates more negatives than positives, pun intended.
The technical knowledge of harnessing electricity for the conceptual needs is simply not in place.
This entire EV craze has been a political ploy from the beginning...scare the hell out of them with tales of woe and social upheaval and then tell em' what they want to hear, EV's will save us all. This allows the gain of required notoriety and greatly enhances electable standings.

Power and control and those that relish it.

The entire concept of an electric car was shoved up the backside of the populous without any honest or viable research regarding its long term requirements, effects and/or repercussions.
The real alternatives are well known, but have yet to be put into play, too much economic/political upheaval involved.
All based on the global warming hysteria. But, it sure mad a few entities very very wealthy.

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kommando said:
Thermal mass ;) , driving around your battery is kept warm by a heater and the electrical draw. Park up indoors in a garage and it takes a long time to drop temp plus if charging then its heater will kick in. Its parking outside for long periods in cold temps that is causing the problem and once the battery is cold its mass is so big even if the temperatures rise it will take a long time before it recovers internally.
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Ahem, all my 4 wheel vehicles sleep out in the cold.....🥶😞


Garage is full of murrsickles🏁
 
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Fast Eddie said:
Can someone explain this Tesla story to me please?

Not taking a charge when cold?

Is this true?

If so why?

And is it only Tesla’s ?
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When out for a few hours on my pedal bike last week, at 3 Celcius ambient, I pulled my phone out of the pannier and it was displaying warning that charge rate will be reduced due to ambient temperature.

So unless Telsa also makes my Samsung phone battery, I'd say no, it's not just their issue.

In fact, it is all about chemical reactions and how temperature impacts rate of those reactions.

Same reason all batteries have reduced output at lower temps and the reason battery warmer blankets are a thing forsale at auto parts stores here in Canada.
 
I am just going to keep polluting the environment and ride my bikes and pollute the air with my diesel Land Rover, can't afford to buy any new cars let alone an EV and by the time they do band my Landy and bikes I prob be too old to drive anyway.
 
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There is probably value in reducing carbon emissions. However driving silent, automatic tin boxes might be a lot less enjoyable. Petrol driven cars and motorcycles can actually be fun. My car is a Mazda 6 which has 6 gears, close ratio. It is as useless as tits on a bull, however I really enjoy driving it. It is much better than my wifes Mazda CX9. Soon cars might all be driverless - won't that be fun. We could stay home in bed while it drives itself around the countryside with a TV camera, showing us what is happening in the real world.
 
You all a freezing your balls off and here we a swelting was 33c here today but very high humidity and feels like 40c and another cyclone forming off our coast, all we need is more rain.
 
The temperature gauge in my car earlier this week read -21F air temp. -35F with windchill. I really don’t want to hear anymore about ”Ooh, I’m so hot and the humidity is killing me”. Talking about you, Ash. Lol! Seriously though, do you guys in Australia even have snow?
 
Larry S said:
The temperature gauge in my car earlier this week read -21F air temp. -35F with windchill. I really don’t want to hear anymore about ”Ooh, I’m so hot and the humidity is killing me”. Talking about you, Ash. Lol! Seriously though, do you guys in Australia even have snow?
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The wind-chill can be a big factor
Where I work is basically a big tin box with no insulation
When I get in first thing the clock hands are sometimes frozen
And any water left in my kettle has frozen
In the summer it's too hot because the roof has clear plastic panels
There's one week per year when it's about right at the end of September 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Larry S said:
The temperature gauge in my car earlier this week read -21F air temp. -35F with windchill. I really don’t want to hear anymore about ”Ooh, I’m so hot and the humidity is killing me”. Talking about you, Ash. Lol! Seriously though, do you guys in Australia even have snow?
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The heat and humidity doesn't kill me or worry me, but I do like to rub it in with you cold buggers lol, no have never experienced snow in my 65 years and yes they do get snow down Vic and NSW in the high lands in winter.
Our winters in my state of Queensland is very mild and is the best time of the year for day rides, not cooking our brains out 18c up too 24c winter days and about 6c on our coldest nights, just right.
 
ashman said:
The heat and humidity doesn't kill me or worry me, but I do like to rub it in with you cold buggers lol, no have never experienced snow in my 65 years and yes they do get snow down Vic and NSW in the high lands in winter.
Our winters in my state of Queensland is very mild and is the best time of the year for day rides, not cooking our brains out 18c up too 24c winter days and about 6c on our coldest nights, just right.
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18c to 24c in WINTER?!

Yor avin’ a larf…!
 
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