Almost lost a Norton today

Where I live you very rarely see a police car
You never see a policeman on the beat ever
Police stations are either closed or only open part time
Reporting a crime is pretty much a waste of time as it's hours until they come
And the only point in calling the police is to get an incident number so you can claim on insurance
You have to be extremely careful how defend your house/family or property I'm not sure how it's worded but basically no more than reasonable force to defend yourself
 
It’s just tragic that absence of any real gun control here has given a more readily available weapon to those who have none of these values. Using any other weapon doesn’t have such wide ranging, lethal consequences.
The problem is defining "real gun control". In the long run the only thing that will satisfy those those who want it is a total ban on any type of firearm, second amendment be damned. I really don't want to argue the pros and cons of gun control, its fruitless. I'm much more worried about mad men who start wars and minimally coherent government officials with nuclear arsenals at their command that I am of being a gun crime victim.
 
Where I live you very rarely see a police car
You never see a policeman on the beat ever
Police stations are either closed or only open part time
Reporting a crime is pretty much a waste of time as it's hours until they come
And the only point in calling the police is to get an incident number so you can claim on insurance
You have to be extremely careful how defend your house/family or property I'm not sure how it's worded but basically no more than reasonable force to defend yourself

Tell them that you were intentionally addressed by the wrong pronoun......
 
I am not going to argue about guns and gun laws we all have our own opinions and we all have our rights to protect our property, we can have our guns here in Aus as long as we are licence and have secure gun safes, here in Aus we don't walk around with loaded guns whether consealed or off our belts, we don't live by the gun here as well in many parts of the world but we do see what is happening over in your part of the world with guns, I grew up with guns both target and hunting, but I don't feel so unsafe I got to carry a gun where ever I go, not here in Australia.
Our problem here these days is youth crime getting out of control mostly breaking into houses and stealing car keys for joy riding, underage kids not old enough to even drive on the road and killing innocent people from losing control because they have no experience, very rare we have gun deaths here and as I say I have my own opinion and I won't say no more, my cattle dogs are good enough for my family and property protection.

Same basic symptoms and a whole lot of similarities in the US Ash.
Youth crime and unchecked mental illness.
 
Can’t help but believe that part of the problem is exposure to violent imagery. If you don’t believe that even brief exposure to images can affect your thinking consider the amount of money that people with something to sell will spend for thirty seconds of advertising during the Super Bowl . I grew up with guns - our high school had a gun club and rifle team of which I was a member . We actually brought guns to school for hunting afterwards- checked them in the principal’s office - many used gun safety /cleaning for the required demonstration speech in speech class. The point I am laboring to make is that there were likely more guns in school when I was a boy than there are today and no one shot each other or threatened to do so . So what has changed ? As others have mentioned, traditional family values have changed - some crave the attention (albeit negative) that the media will give them perhaps.
I suppose I am stating the obvious but what we have is an extremely complex issue - a perfect storm of contributing factors that have come together. Does the existence of guns cause the shootings ? Of course not - see above . Do the guns facilitate the violence ? Of course they do . If by some magic they were all to disappear perhaps things might change but sadly , I think those who would commit horrific acts would find another avenue.
Look what has been done with a rental truck full of fertilizer and diesel fuel or hijacked commercial aircraft. If I knew that surrendering my firearms would eliminate the heartache I would do so in a heartbeat . But it wouldn’t so I won’t . What kind of thinking comes to the conclusion that a person or persons who would randomly shoot a bunch of school children would also willingly turn in their weapons ? Pie in the sky .
I don’t know what the answer is . I wish I did .
 
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I like the Apple tag idea. Mass shootings, not so much

And +1 for Australian Cattle Dogs. I have a mix who has free range on the property. She will engage anyone who enters (not so good for getting mail though 🙃)
 
Do the guns facilitate the violence ? Of course they do . If by some magic they were all to disappear perhaps things might change but sadly , I think those who would commit horrific acts would find another avenue.

We are allegedly are 'gun free' society, but you can nigh on guarantee there'll be a stabbing or three daily in the news somewhere here, sadly.
 
The problem is defining "real gun control". In the long run the only thing that will satisfy those those who want it is a total ban on any type of firearm, second amendment be damned. I really don't want to argue the pros and cons of gun control, its fruitless. I'm much more worried about mad men who start wars and minimally coherent government officials with nuclear arsenals at their command that I am of being a gun crime victim.
I used to sometimes have a drink with a few guys in a returned servicemens' club. One of them was my boss. He owned a very nice rifle. One of the ex-soldiers asked him why he had it. My boss said ' I have it, so if I need to, I can defend my home'. The soldier said - ' so if I get drunk and decide to visit you, I might get shot ? - GET RID OF IT'.
I have another friend who is a shooter. He believes all the conspiracy theories. I refuse to discuss politics with him.
 
I actually love guns - a lot of my life involved developing them. However I would never own one. The main shooter in one plsce where I worked, was a beautiful young girl who is knee-high to a grasshopper. Her job was to fire and test a lot of automatic weapons. I stlil see her around town, I do not think many people know how she earns a crust.
 
Can’t help but believe that part of the problem is exposure to violent imagery. If you don’t believe that even brief exposure to images can effect your thinking consider the amount of money that people with something to sell will spend for thirty seconds of advertising during the Super Bowl . I grew up with guns - our high school had a gun club and rifle team of which I was a member . We actually brought guns to school for hunting afterwards- checked them in the principal’s office - many used gun safety /cleaning for the required demonstration speech in speech class. The point I am laboring to make is that there were likely more guns in school when I was a boy than there are today and no one shot each other or threatened to do so . So what has changed ? As others have mentioned, traditional family values have changed - some crave the attention (albeit negative) that the media will give them perhaps.
I suppose I am stating the obvious but what we have is an extremely complex issue - a perfect storm of contributing factors that have come together. Does the existence of guns cause the shootings ? Of course not - see above . Do the guns facilitate the violence ? Of course they do . If by some magic they were all to disappear perhaps things might change but sadly , I think those who would commit horrific acts would find another avenue.
Look what has been done with a rental truck full of fertilizer and diesel fuel or hijacked commercial aircraft. If I knew that surrendering my firearms would eliminate the heartache I would do so in a heartbeat . But it wouldn’t so I won’t . What kind of thinking comes to the conclusion that a person or persons who would randomly shoot a bunch of school children would also willingly turn in their weapons ? Pie in the sky .
I don’t know what the answer is . I wish I did .

Yup.
The imagery is never ending.
It is a constant for so very many kids growing up.
Would Hollywood be the overwhelming entertainment success it has become without firearms being part of the actual fiber of its big screen entertainment offerings?
Ask the same question for the multi billion dollar video gaming industry.

How many people have I/we watched die on television alone starting 65 years ago?
What is, almost always, the first thing presented on the evening "news", local, national, whatever?

There are 1.3 guns for every citizen in the US.
That's over 370,000,000 firearms of some design in the US alone.
I had fellow classmates in high school who had firearms on them or in their locker.

"Gun Control", as presented modern day, is a political mantra that a politician uses to promote themselves for, or to remain, in office.
GC is not, as presently presented, addressed, or designed, a viable mechanism to control or channel the illegal use of a firearm.

How many politicians during an election year do you hear promoting gun control?
 
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1.3 guns to every citizens in the US now think about it that is crazy but hey that's the US of A and as been said its in your rights to own guns, in Aus we had one crazy man who went on a mad mass shoot over 25 years ago or more now he been in jail ever since and that's when the gov brought in gun control, only took one crazy for that to happen but getting paid to hand in guns of course only the good people did that the crims wouldn't do that and bikkies and drug dealers are still well armed, but we haven't had a mass killing since, yes we still get gun deaths and bikkies killing themselves with revenge shoots.
But here we live in a pretty safe place except the young kids running amuck, kids today have no respect and don't give a f#*k but lucky not all kids just the ones who are stuffing it up for everyone, but it's happening everywhere not only here and of course there are a lot more dangerous drugs on the streets that are getting everyone hooked so quick cheap and out of control.
 
1.3 guns to every citizens in the US now think about it that is crazy but hey that's the US of A and as been said its in your rights to own guns, in Aus we had one crazy man who went on a mad mass shoot over 25 years ago or more now he been in jail ever since and that's when the gov brought in gun control, only took one crazy for that to happen but getting paid to hand in guns of course only the good people did that the crims wouldn't do that and bikkies and drug dealers are still well armed, but we haven't had a mass killing since, yes we still get gun deaths and bikkies killing themselves with revenge shoots.
But here we live in a pretty safe place except the young kids running amuck, kids today have no respect and don't give a f#*k but lucky not all kids just the ones who are stuffing it up for everyone, but it's happening everywhere not only here and of course there are a lot more dangerous drugs on the streets that are getting everyone hooked so quick cheap and out of control.
Yes and the other crazy Aussie came over here and killed 50 odd people...and as a consequence screwed over every law abiding gun owner in New Zealand ...
 
Rhodesian Ridgebacks is what yer need.

We decided to upgrade our security recently… from two Ridgebacks to three…!
Yeah, yer Rhodesian Ridgebacks would probably drown any intruder with the slobber from licking them! Lol! Most Ridgebacks I’ve known are like little babies, all loving and such. They are massive and intimidating looking for sure.
 
Yeah, yer Rhodesian Ridgebacks would probably drown any intruder with the slobber from licking them! Lol! Most Ridgebacks I’ve known are like little babies, all loving and such. They are massive and intimidating looking for sure.
They are. Until they see someone / something strange. As I discovered when I came home one night and made my kids jump through the kitchen window. I saw different dogs then I can tell you, and I was very relieved indeed when they recognised me !
 
They are. Until they see someone / something strange. As I discovered when I came home one night and made my kids jump through the kitchen window. I saw different dogs then I can tell you, and I was very relieved indeed when they recognised me !
One of the best things i like about Ridgebacks that i have found is they dont bark at just anything....but when they do its for good reason ...We had a predominant ridgeback bull mastiff cross... Kaz was super loyal and kept our home scum bag free...
 
I don't want to get into politics, because I really don't have a clue about that, but with over 6,000 Americans killed in the last 3 months, all shot by other Americans, it would worry me to be in that environment. But I agree, Americans do all seem to be very polite.

You open the political door, make your leading political statement and then say you don't want to get in to politics.
That's convenient, for you.

Your stats are skewed. Numbers shown by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, USA, show a very different profile than what your declaration indicates.
Your number (high) does not differentiate between suicides (54% of total), accidental shootings and shootings committed by law enforcement officers while firearm suicide rates among black teenagers alone rose, over the last decade, 120%.
Americans shooting other Americans falls into the above stats, which you did not note.
In most instances as high as 80% of said shootings were committed in middle lower class to lower class areas of urban settings, aka cities, 60% of which are youth shootings.
Americans purchased 16.5 million guns in 22' alone. There are a whole lot of reasons for that.
I'll just stop there, as you said, don't want to get into politics.
 
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You open the political door, make your leading political statement and then say you don't want to get in to politics.
That's convenient, for you.

Your stats are skewed. Numbers shown by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, USA, show a very different profile than what your declaration indicates.
Your number (high) does not differentiate between suicides (54% of total), accidental shootings and shootings committed by law enforcement officers while firearm suicide rates among black teenagers alone rose, over the last decade, 120%.
Americans shooting other Americans falls into the above stats, which you did not note.
In most instances as high as 80% of said shootings were committed in middle lower class to lower class areas of urban settings, aka cities, 60% of which are youth shootings.
Americans purchased 16.5 million guns in 22' alone. There are a whole lot of reasons for that.
I'll just stop there, as you said, don't want to get into politics.
In the UK, ownership of guns wouldn't be seen as a political issue, I know it's different in the USA, but I don't know why, so I'll stay out of the subject.

The figures I gave did exclude suicides, and looked like a well researched number, but I'm sure there is a wide range of numbers from a wide range of sources
 
Most first time purchases of over 40 years of age, sight the amount of time for police response, the defunding of police and politics! Sales went way up with professional adults, doctors, nurses and lawyers! Facts by The Village Arms!
 
I actually love guns - a lot of my life involved developing them. However I would never own one. The main shooter in one plsce where I worked, was a beautiful young girl who is knee-high to a grasshopper. Her job was to fire and test a lot of automatic weapons. I stlil see her around town, I do not think many people know how she earns a crust.
I owned 2 sport / hunt guns as a youth . Had them both voluntarily destroyed then by the local Police , as a request . Never went back to ownership . I enjoyed firing them at bottle targets and still to this day will accept an offer to fire at an inanimate target from an owner just for the fun of discharging one .. That said I have big worries about America's current direction to date on this subject . ( Drove the Norty today after soldering up the old loose L.H. side switch gear connections . Enjoy ) .
 
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