Would you buy one again

BritTwit said:
The whole 961 issue is a real can of worms for TVS.
They can't sell the same 961 that SG sold, too many problems, and too many service/warranty headaches.
TVS would have to spend time/money redesigning the 961 systems to "fix" them, make them liquid cooled to pass Euro.
Would that new 961 be backwards compatible (for parts) with the old 961?
If not, then why would they stock & sell parts for the older 961?
If Jinlang owns the rights to the 961, can TVS sell a 961, or would they have to buy a license to build/sell a 961?

A much simpler way to build a new Commando:
Just take a Thaiumph 1200 lump, put Norton badges on it and stuff it in the 961 frame.
A few frame mods will be needed, attach a radiator, done.
Ride a lot, enjoy a lot, no starting/idling problems, lump is tried and true, reliable as a cast iron stove.
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No offense , But No thanks , not for me .. I would just buy the real thing which I didn't.
 
TonyA said:
No offense , But No thanks , not for me .. I would just buy the real thing which I didn't.
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Yeah, I know Tony, but until TVS gives us their final verdict on the future of the 961, ya gotta wonder what's really in it for them.
I'd like to see a redesigned 961, but would the effort be worth it to them?
TVS has to do the calculus.
 
Their not going to give us the final verdict. They already have. That’s a big fat NO
 
Voodooo said:
Their not going to give us the final verdict. They already have. That’s a big fat NO
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Well now, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings.
And when I say the fat lady, I mean Dr. Bob.
He said they were evaluating the 961 and other models for production.
So we have to wait for the Doctor's diagnosis:
Is the 961 on life support, or is it a goner?
Stay tuned!
 
BritTwit said:
Well now, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings.
And when I say the fat lady, I mean Dr. Bob.
He said they were evaluating the 961 and other models for production.
So we have to wait for the Doctor's diagnosis:
Is the 961 on life support, or is it a goner?
Stay tuned!
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When do you predict TVS to release a bike for sale to the public? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years?
Since they have a work force, a plant, and model bikes they’ve shown as prototypes.
 
Voodooo said:
When do you predict TVS to release a bike for sale to the public? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years?
Since they have a work force, a plant, and model bikes they’ve shown as prototypes.
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I sure would like to know myself.
I suppose after the redesign of the V4, they had to find suppliers for the various components.
Once they have contracts with the suppliers, they would sample the components and do the QA/QC to insure quality.
Then order production quantities and start production of first units for sale.
If they have supply chain issues in the UK like the ones here in the US, all this will take some time.
 
Guess opinion is mainly based around how serious (or otherwise) the technical difficulties have been for each individual owner. My difficulties have been few and minor and although I only have 10k km on mine, I have enjoyed every single one of them. I enjoy the way it makes me feel - that low tech visceral ride experience. I enjoy the uniqueness (I’ve never met another on the road) and most of all, the heritage and history of the marque. Really not interested in mass produced modern bikes in the main, had many and most are pure vanilla in my eyes, Triumph included. My opinion only folks!

Mine’s a keeper and with the ‘brains trust’ on this forum, trailblazers like Ollie and the Cootes and hopefully TVS, I aim to ride it for as long as I’m physically able. Thereafter, I’ll just drink beer and polish it - the bike that is:rolleyes:!

Long live Norton.
 
TonyA said:
No offense , But No thanks , not for me .. I would just buy the real thing which I didn't.
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The water cooled Triumph Twins are very nice bikes , don't get me wrong. If the Norton 961 had not come along when it did I would certainly have the Triumph now and probably the model you bought. But the Norton did come along and muddied the water for me . So much so I can't even get myself to buy another similar bike for fear of losing riding time on the Norton 961.
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
My difficulties have been few and minor and although I only have 10k km on mine, I have enjoyed every single one of them. I enjoy the way it makes me feel - that low tech visceral ride experience. I enjoy the uniqueness (I’ve never met another on the road) and most of all, the heritage and history of the marque.

Long live Norton.
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My experience and feelings are similar.
And the lack of replacement parts currently prevents me from riding it much.
I hope the parts become readily available in the future, either from Norton, or Jinlang.
 
TonyA said:
The water cooled Triumph Twins are very nice bikes , don't get me wrong. If the Norton 961 had not come along when it did I would certainly have the Triumph now and probably the model you bought. But the Norton did come along and muddied the water for me . So much so I can't even get myself to buy another similar bike for fear of losing riding time on the Norton 961.
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But you have other bikes you ride as well? Why not add a triumph?
 
Voodooo said:
But you have other bikes you ride as well? Why not add a triumph?
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There is a difference between riding motorcycles and collecting motorcycles. There is a number of bikes I have in mind after which this quantity is exceeded I become a collector. I want to ride my bikes regularly and my space is limited as is my disposable income. I can tell you this , If I had 10 bikes that's way too many for me and it would become a burden. This will then lead to neglect and I've been down that road before. Right now I have three bikes and is my limit 3 , maybe not but certainly close. I wanted to answer your question and the reason I don't buy the Triumph is because I have the Kawasaki Z900RS . And now the can of worms has been opened so here goes . The Triumph is a very similar bike to my Norton 961 but better in many ways . This will lead to time stealing from the Norton which I don't want to happen. The Kawasaki is also a "better" bike in many ways than the Norton but it doesn't steal from or compete with the Norton . So , the Kawasaki is actually my Triumph and a better "fit" in the mind of TonyA .
 
TonyA said:
There is a difference between riding motorcycles and collecting motorcycles. There is a number of bikes I have in mind after which this quantity is exceeded I become a collector. I want to ride my bikes regularly and my space is limited as is my disposable income. I can tell you this , If I had 10 bikes that's way too many for me and it would become a burden. This will then lead to neglect and I've been down that road before. Right now I have three bikes and is my limit 3 , maybe not but certainly close. I wanted to answer your question and the reason I don't buy the Triumph is because I have the Kawasaki Z900RS . And now the can of worms has been opened so here goes . The Triumph is a very similar bike to my Norton 961 but better in many ways . This will lead to time stealing from the Norton which I don't want to happen. The Kawasaki is also a "better" bike in many ways than the Norton but it doesn't steal from or compete with the Norton . So , the Kawasaki is actually my Triumph and a better "fit" in the mind of TonyA .
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I’m curious how the Triumph is a very similar bike to the Norton? Meaning looks? Which model of Triumph are you referring to?
And how is the Kawasaki different?
If you’re riding the Kawasaki isn’t it stealing time from the Norton?
 
Voodooo said:
I’m curious how the Triumph is a very similar bike to the Norton? Meaning looks? Which model of Triumph are you referring to?
And how is the Kawasaki different?
If you’re riding the Kawasaki isn’t it stealing time from the Norton?
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The model I would have purchased was the Speed Twin . In my mind it is very similar to a Commando Sport . British 270 deg. Twin (but smoother and more power) , similar stance and riding position . The stealing in some cases is emotional and I feared that the Triumph would slowly take over . The Kawasaki doesn't do that to me . Hope that helps.
 
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TonyA said:
The model I would have purchased was the Speed Twin . In my mind it is very similar to a Commando Sport . British 270 deg. Twin (but smoother and more power) , similar stance and riding position . The stealing in some cases is emotional and I feared that the Triumph would slowly take over . The Kawasaki doesn't do that to me . Hope that helps.
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Makes sense Tony.
I try not to ride my 961 much because of parts availability. If I knew that the parts were available It would get much more use. My Speed Twin allows me to have some "twin" fun and provide a reliable, dependable platform. It doesn't provide the same riding experience as the 961, but the motor does have the torque, power, and riding modes to make the ride fun in it's own way. I also dig the way Thaiumph styled the engine, and covers on the 1200. That's my personal taste of course, but some say the Speed Twin looks too much like a UJM. It has a forward stance (little higher in the rear, lower in the front), and a forward weight bias. That just makes it turn in faster than the previous generation twins. Which is just fine for me in the twisties.
 
TonyA said:
The water cooled Triumph Twins are very nice bikes , don't get me wrong. If the Norton 961 had not come along when it did I would certainly have the Triumph now and probably the model you bought. But the Norton did come along and muddied the water for me . So much so I can't even get myself to buy another similar bike for fear of losing riding time on the Norton 961.
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I know I probably said this in the past, but had the Truxton R come out just a month sooner I could have saved myself a ton of money. I sent a deposit to MCC for my 2015 961 in December of 2015. As much as I loved the look of the 961 I would have talked myself out of making the purchase had I know what Triumph had to offer. Of course, hindsight is 20-20. I rarely, if ever miss my 961. And I own a Thruxton R now. :cool:
 
contours said:
I know I probably said this in the past, but had the Truxton R come out just a month sooner I could have saved myself a ton of money. I sent a deposit to MCC for my 2015 961 in December of 2015. As much as I loved the look of the 961 I would have talked myself out of making the purchase had I know what Triumph had to offer. Of course, hindsight is 20-20. I rarely, if ever miss my 961. And I own a Thruxton R now. :cool:
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Yes you did , and I know ! And this is the danger TVS Norton are close to running into . The grief and aggravation current and past owners had tends to stick in your craw . If they wait too long interest will wane , and other purchases will be made.
 
TonyA said:
Yes you did , and I know ! And this is the danger TVS Norton are close to running into . The grief and aggravation current and past owners had tends to stick in your craw . If they wait too long interest will wane , and other purchases will be made.
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For me, this is the case.
I feel they TVS is already behind the game. Their V4CR and V4SV are already missing the performance mark.
The weight
The power
The timing and availability are already off.
The ship has sailed and their luggage missed the boat.

Ducati, KTM, BMW, MV Agusta, and the Japanese already have the market covered. I’m aware that the Norton is a boutique model, but by the time it’s available, if it ever is available it’ll be dated.
 
italia said:
And Aprilia (you always forget to mention Aprilia :p ), with the Tuono V4 1100 Factory considered the best super naked bike by many. And the RSVP very competitive in pure sport bikes
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Interesting that while I had enough money to go shopping for my 2015 Norton 961 I didn't revisit the Aprilla - the bike that drew me back in to motorcycles after a 24 year hiatius. o_O
 
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