What’s the best none Norton Norton ?

Fast Eddie said:

Yeah, they could call ”The Shrapnel Maker”….

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I disagree.
With the supercharger, there is no need to rev beyond its normal 8000 redline.
I think the 961's bottom end will sustain 100-110hp.
Especially with a "fixed" clutch basket.
That should be good for some fun.
And I would call it the "Drouin 961."

BritTwit said:

I disagree.
With the supercharger, there is no need to rev beyond its normal 8000 redline.
I think the 961's bottom end will sustain 100-110hp.
Especially with a "fixed" clutch basket.
That should be good for some fun.
And I would call it the "Drouin 961."

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Rpm won’t be the cause of failure. The increased pressure will be.

Who’s going to tune it and how?

Be the test mule for a supercharger and let us all see when and at what levels of boost it can take.
My guess is 4-5 psi of boost and anything more, she’s a goner.

Then get your hands on a TVS 961 motor and tear into it and tell us all of the supposedly changes.

BritTwit said:

I disagree.
With the supercharger, there is no need to rev beyond its normal 8000 redline.
I think the 961's bottom end will sustain 100-110hp.
Especially with a "fixed" clutch basket.
That should be good for some fun.
And I would call it the "Drouin 961."

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Well, if you put a blower on just to put a blower on, and ride around no differently than before, then maybe you’re right.

But a blower is a performance mod. You don’t have to exceed 8,000 rpm to find trouble, with a blower you’d spent MUCH more time up there, with MUCH more strain on everything.

I‘m surprised at your optimism, there is a long list of mechanical weaknesses with the 961 already and putting 25-50% more power through it and 75-100% more heat into it will find them far more easily.

But, as neither of us is gonna do it, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the theory !

You can't just slap a blower on it, come on.
TTS has to develop a package for the 961, just as they did for the Thaiumph.
The Thaiumph kit comes with lower compression pistons and a different cam than the stocker.
There are probably other changes as well like ignition timing, etc,
That's why an experienced team has to develop the kit.
I sold off my R&D facility years ago.

I would say 6lbs boost should be good for 100hp or close to it.
The only issues I would be concerned about:
1. The bike would have to have a "fixed"clutch basket.
2. Given the few balancer failures, I would have it magnafluxed for cracks, then tuftrided.

I think the crank, and gearbox will have no problems handling 6lbs boost.

BritTwit said:

You can't just slap a blower on it, come on.
TTS has to develop a package for the 961, just as they did for the Thaiumph.
The Thaiumph kit comes with lower compression pistons and a different cam than the stocker.
There are probably other changes as well like ignition timing, etc,
That's why an experienced team has to develop the kit.
I sold off my R&D facility years ago.

I would say 6lbs boost should be good for 100hp or close to it.
The only issues I would be concerned about:
1. The bike would have to have a "fixed"clutch basket.
2. Given the few balancer failures, I would have it magnafluxed for cracks, then tuftrided.

I think the crank, and gearbox will have no problems handling 6lbs boost.

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That’s not all true. On a triumph you can add a TTS safety to a bone stock engine. Sure, a modified engine with upgraded internals is better, but depending on power levels it’s WAY safer on a triumph than a 961.

Want 100hp?
Put a thruxton 1200 in the commando and leave it naturally aspirated and you’ll have 100 hp reliable and dependable. Want more power add a supercharger to the commando with the thruxton 1200 and you’ll have your wet dream.

Voodooo said:

That’s not all true. On a triumph you can add a TTS safety to a bone stock engine. Sure, a modified engine with upgraded internals is better, but depending on power levels it’s WAY safer on a triumph than a 961.

Want 100hp?
Put a thruxton 1200 in the commando and leave it naturally aspirated and you’ll have 100 hp reliable and dependable. Want more power add a supercharger to the commando with the thruxton 1200 and you’ll have your wet dream.

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Actually I posted this same think for Norton to do, to have a Norton 1200.
Of course I'm not looking for 140hp like the Thaiumph, just 100 or so ponies from the 961.

BritTwit said:

Actually I posted this same think for Norton to do, to have a Norton 1200.
Of course I'm not looking for 140hp like the Thaiumph, just 100 or so ponies from the 961.

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I think the 961 is just wonderful as it is..
If I feel the need to go hyper the KTM gets wheeled out.

MCN road test that new Guzzi this week…

Voodooo said:

My point being, if you take long trips on a Harley, parts are plentiful if you need them. I to do my own service.

That’s not so for a ducati. No matter how prepared you are, if you need a ducati part you’ll be waiting., Or stranded.

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This is not an argument that has ever fit my motorcycle buying criteria, though I'm fine with people who put reliability above all else. If I only bought based on reliability, I would never experience the pleasure of riding bikes that move me. And I'd probably be driving a Toyota Camry. And hating myself

italia said:

This is not an argument that has ever fit my motorcycle buying criteria, though I'm fine with people who put reliability above all else. If I only bought based on reliability, I would never experience the pleasure of riding bikes that move me. And I'd probably be driving a Toyota Camry. And hating myself

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We certainly wouldn't want that!
The old saying still rings true: Different strokes for different folk.
We all know that anyone who buys a Norton, any Norton, doesn't buy based on reliability.

italia said:

This is not an argument that has ever fit my motorcycle buying criteria, though I'm fine with people who put reliability above all else. If I only bought based on reliability, I would never experience the pleasure of riding bikes that move me. And I'd probably be driving a Toyota Camry. And hating myself

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That goes for me as well. I also don’t care about a warranty. I void them in days of a new purchase.
My point above is, you can not beat the parts supply of a Harley. Anywhere in the USA you’ll find a HD dealer. That’s not so with other brands.
Well maybe Honda is second.

You say it’s not a concern until you need a part to get you back home when you’re 100s or 1000s of miles away.

Voodooo said:

My point above is, you can not beat the parts supply of a Harley. Anywhere in the USA you’ll find a HD dealer. That’s not so with other brands.
Well maybe Honda is second.

You say it’s not a concern until you need a part to get you back home when you’re 100s or 1000s of miles away.

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Support can come from a variety of sources on the road, but yes, getting back home is important. Though '1000s of miles' is a bit of an exaggeration. Even MV Agusta have enough dealers (44 USA dealers) that you would be less than 700-800 miles at the most.

I bought a BMW adventure touring bike earlier this year. In addition to BMW Motorcycles having 156 US dealers, the BMW Motorcycle Owners of America club (BMWMOA) has a directory (on an App) of 15,000 of its 40,000 members all over the US who have voluntarily offered to give support to other members and be listed in a support directory to provide repair assistance, trailer rescue, bike repair space in garage, bike storage, housing, etc. The stories of members who have broken down at night in the middle of nowhere and called a member in the listing for help are numerous. BMWMOA also provide roadside assistance coverage with membership for an extra $20/year.

Not sure what other motorcycle clubs offer, but since dealers aren't open at 9:00 at night when you need help, it's important to consider contingencies such as carrying tire repair kit, small air compressor, battery jump starter, first aid kit, flashlight/headlamp, tool roll, spare fuses, etc. A lot of breakdowns don't necessarily involve replacing parts. Also, having roadside assistance could be useful.

I feel more comfortable with multiple contingencies for touring, and encourage my friends to consider things like shaft drive vs chain or belt, spoke vs cast wheels if you might end up going down a rutted gravel road when your GPS hands you a shortcut, and the importance of ergonomics for long stints in the saddle.

I never worried about any of these things on a sport or standard bike as I never would have traveled on one, but now that I've gotten into some travel this year, I'm learning to think about other variables. People do ride tons of touring miles on Harleys and BMWs, so I guess there's something there

And I thought everyone carried the basics as mentioned above …. any help/service /rescue is a very nice escape hatch ! Especially for the cost …. I usually add a small bag with electrical heat shrink connecters, fuses , tape , wire …one bike has tube tires that what CAA card for my days of patching tubes on roadside long past …. I will use a plug when possible though ….

Most of the local Vincent crew
here run modified Harley Screaming Eagle ignition on their Vincent twins. The selling point was easy availability of parts anywhere in North America, in the event of trouble on the road.
A couple of years ago, while at a rally in Montana, one of the Vins had the black box burn out. No problem, there is a Harley shop in town. We'll just go down, get the part and have the bike running in no time.
It could have worked that way if the dealer had the part. Unfortunately Harley doesn't stock or sell that style Screaming Eagle ignition anymore, so they couldn't help us.
The bike went home in a trailer.

Glen

Mmmmmmmmmm!…… or MMMM!! Not sure. The Horex Regina Evo - German made. Carbon framed. Only 600cc 47hp (V4), which does’nt sound very impressive, but at only 133 kg she should be pretty nippy! I like it, although it looks a tad diminutive. Rear shock up under the seat as a nod to the original model (1955) which was a hard-tail. Only 100 made and I suspect, more expensive than my ex-wife !



a bit CCM like, styling wise.

Stephen_Spencer said:

…… more expensive than my ex-wife !

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And you know why divorce is so expensive?

Because it's worth every cent.

Gojuu said:

And you know why divorce is so expensive?

Because it's worth every cent.

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Tell me!!!

Stephen_Spencer said:

Mmmmmmmmmm!…… or MMMM!! Not sure. The Horex Regina Evo - German made. Carbon framed. Only 600cc 47hp (V4), which does’nt sound very impressive, but at only 133 kg she should be pretty nippy! I like it, although it looks a tad diminutive. Rear shock up under the seat as a nod to the original model (1955) which was a hard-tail. Only 100 made and I suspect, more expensive than my ex-wife !

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a bit CCM like, styling wise.

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Wheres the ass?

NPeteN said:

Wheres the ass?

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Not showing you my ass Pete! I don’t even know ya !!

Anyone?