Upgrades vs. stock

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peter12 said:
I suppose the beauty of our hobby is that you can do what you want, I have a pretty standard 850 mk11a. I have had the front master cylinder re sleeved. It has a single carb, fitted when I bought it, I expect I will fit premiers at some stage and probably go with a breather modification. I also have Boyer ignition.
Maybe its my age or I am not as decisive as I used to be but I cannot make my mind up which way to go with it.
I have toyed with various mods but for the moment will keep it as it is (I think).
It is great to ride, my son loves to ride it, he rides a modern Triumph Tripple.
I don't do a lot of miles on it but like having it in the garage to ride. One of the reasons I am not keen to rebuild it till I know I have the time to do it in one hit.
There are so many things you can do to them without spoiling the bike but at the end of the day a lot of people want it as near possible as it came out of the factory, probably me included. There are many mods that are not visible that can be done to improve.

This speaks for me as well. Mine has a TriSpark, one of Madass' front brake master cylinders (kept having to rebuild the stock one), an XS reed valve engine breather and a few stainless bits. Gaylord resleeved original Amals allow use of the excellent stock ham can airfilter with stock size K&N inside and allows for a very convenient ignition switch mount.
The former owner of one of the local Norton dealerships once commented about how original my '72 is. I like that. Maybe goes to my Norton history. Bought my first '72 Commando roadster new (had 300 miles on it) and have been riding Commandos since.
 
worntorn said:
lrutt said:
My 73 is all original. Exhaust (fluted and too quiet), points, amal but with premier anodized slide, clutch etc. No modifications other than the carby slide. Everytime I ride the bike I am so impressed how well it works for being 43 years old and original. It's an amazing machine. I like to keep bikes original as it better relays the experience of riding a bike from that era. My Honda Dream is scary for pathetic brakes and power, my 750 Honda even at 40 years old is just so ..... appliance like. It just works. The Guzzi, Norton, Trimphs, all communicate back to me what riding was like back then and all those bikes are amazingly competent when set up properly. I can make the Norton 'better' possibly (although I've seen many that have been 'improved' and didn't start as well as mine) but if I really want a more modern riding experience I'll ride my Ducati Monster. IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with a stock Norton, they work extremely well.

There's really nothing wrong with points on a motorcycle since very few people run high mileage per year. Even if you do it's not much of an issue as ignition points were one thing that Lucas excelled at. I have Norton Commando dual points ignition fitted to my Vincent Rapide. Apparently this was a bit of a Vincent hop-up in the 70s. One set of points lasted 40,000 miles and would have gone even further with a bit of filing.
I fitted new Japanese replacement points instead and those only made it 300 miles before wearing out!
Back to NOS Lucas points and the ignition is something I maybe look at every other year, if that.

With points you get a very hot spark at kick over due to the dwell time, so the easy starting is typical. This bike is a half kick starter.

You can also easily purchase and carry a complete new ignition for touring. And most of us old guys know how to fit any of the components roadside, should that ever be needed.
In 55,000 miles,I haven't had any problems from the points ignition, save the one self-induced Japanese points problem.
Plus with points you get a nice power surge when the advance weights fly out, that you don't get with electronic. I'm sure its just a seat of the pants thing with no real power increase , but still :lol:
 
That seat of the pants thing is ignition at 40 degrees BTDC because the spindle and cam of the AAU are shagged out. Vital to do your timing with a strobe if you are using points. I found that out the hard way in 1975
 
gripper said:
That seat of the pants thing is ignition at 40 degrees BTDC because the spindle and cam of the AAU are shagged out. Vital to do your timing with a strobe if you are using points. I found that out the hard way in 1975
The bike had under 2000 miles on it at the time and I believe nothing was shagged out .
 
Its life we all have our own ideas how our bike should look or how they should go, which everway these bikes have been built by their owners is telling us all about that owner looking at their builds, ideas, whether mod, hiperfprmance or built stock, who realy cares as long as we keep these bikes of beauhty going for as long as we can and to enjoy them untill death or we can't ride no more, well thats my opinion, but myself I pefferr to do what ever it takes to make these bikes even better.

My own mods started very early in the life of my brand new 850 Commando, around 1980 and to this day it still gets improvements when needed, but to me brakes and good brakes at that are more important than trying to get 40 year old brakes to work like moden brakes, its not going to happen, but it also depends on how we ride, is it built as a everyday ride, how hard you ride or how you use your bike and thats what planning is all about and if you don't know what your doing its a good way to learn all about your bike, I didn't know a thing about rebuilding bikes till being in my early 20s without any experance rebuilding or modifing our bikes and a manual and now afther 40 years and now semi retired I am building and doing mods for my mates Nortons, not for profit but to keep my mind active and of course a lot of very cold beers.

Well I have 1 mouth of my 3 months licences suspension to go, this is the most hardest thing I have done in 45 years of riding, not being able to take the bikes out, so be good that we have our bikes and enjoy every part of it and do what you think is best for you or your riding style and what improvements you want, but for me stock brakes will kill you one day when you realy need them and I know as my orginal front disc failed without any warning signs and now have one finger operation of my front brakes, love my full Grimca front brake system and to me looks better than the stock set up will ever look but thatsmy opinionas well.

Ashley
 
Hi
To everyone his own.
Me I have never got over the mess I made of a 1958 99 Dominator that was original, no modifications at all when I bought it for $100, then turning it into a café racer then a Triton back in 1968.
So with my 1972 Commando I have tried to restore it back to close to original as possible but with some minor Improvements, ie new Amal Premiums, stainless rims and spokes, TRISpark ignition, sleeved front brake master cylinder, Vernier adjustable ISOs, still need to replace the SS mufflers as they make too much noise.
If I want to go fast all day, I jump on one of my 1974 GT750 Suzuki Water Bottles, or my 1994 ZZR1100 Kawasaki (TOO Fast)!
What ever you do you need to do what you want, not what someone else things you need to do :lol:

Best Regards
Burgs
 
Mods? I agree it's all personal and there's no wrong answer (even though I strenuously object to a lot of things I've seen done - ha ha)

Safety for me, though sometimes thee's a performance boost too (e.g. modern tires, as in my Avons). But for my first rebuild in 1982 on my Mk III I:
1. upgraded headlight to a Cibie with H4 Halogen bulb, direct to battery via relay
2. Electronic Ignition
3. Oil cooler for the hot Louisiana temperatures while stationed at Ft. Polk
4. head ported/polished
5. Mikuni single since my Amals were worn at 10,000 miles
6. Braided steel brake and oil lines

For second rebuild in the mid 90s:
1. alloy tank, side panels and seat from 'The Master' IMr. Wilcox)
2. wheel bearings (sealed)
3. New Isolastics
4. upgraded charging system and dash mounted charge indicator.

Since then, CNW Oil tank rebuild and have the electronic LED brake light/driving light.

When I want speed, comfort, modern performance, etc. I jump on my FJR 1300.
 
650 interstate miles today between 80 and 90. I am glad I have a few upgrades.... :D

I'm looking forward to doing it again tomorrow.
 
comnoz said:
650 interstate miles today between 80 and 90. I am glad I have a few upgrades.... :D

I'm looking forward to doing it again tomorrow.

Hey JIm, I did an 85 mile round trip yesterday for an Italian lunch with friends. Pretty much the same thing, right?

Ken
 
650 miles riding on the I roads is my personal hell, but sometimes it has to be done.
I'm glad both you and your bike are performing well :lol:

Glen
 
comnoz said:
650 interstate miles today between 80 and 90. I am glad I have a few upgrades.... :D

I'm looking forward to doing it again tomorrow.

Blimey.

I don't do that in a month!

Respect to man and machine there sir.
 
worntorn said:
650 miles riding on the I roads is my personal hell, but sometimes it has to be done.
I'm glad both you and your bike are performing well :lol:

Glen


I'm not sure if the bike has grown to fit me or I have grown to fit the bike but the only thing that hurt when I got in last night was my left thumb that I broke at Daytona once.

The gps says 625.8 miles home. About 1/3rd interstate and the rest secondary roads, and about 40 miles of gravel for fun. Should be home tonight.
 
comnoz said:
......The gps says 625.8 miles home. About 1/3rd interstate and the rest secondary roads, and about 40 miles of gravel for fun. Should be home tonight.
+1 on the upgrades as you are definitely making good time! :mrgreen:
 
cjandme said:
comnoz said:
......The gps says 625.8 miles home. About 1/3rd interstate and the rest secondary roads, and about 40 miles of gravel for fun. Should be home tonight.
+1 on the upgrades as you are definitely making good time! :mrgreen:

I pulled in my driveway at 6:00 this evening. So 10 hours and 15 minutes including an hour stop for lunch. It was a good ride. Jim
 
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