Trouble at Mill

Dont you hate that when the wealthy ones are good looking and speedy and you are ( as in me) 58 and slow!!!!
Regards Mike
 
Never mind bleedin dames! Who watched Norton last night on channel 4? I think after watching Garner ,,,well he's not to be trusted...he would be better off in politic's.
If any man was so slight with answers ...well it's him. He introduced the "New Norton V4" failing to respond to the question " what engine was in it?" defo not a "Up front,open "person... he as a cheesy side to him...comming from the county i can smell a rat from a mile away.
 
john robert bould said:
Never mind bleedin dames! Who watched Norton last night on channel 4? I think after watching Garner ,,,well he's not to be trusted...he would be better off in politic's.
If any man was so slight with answers ...well it's him. He introduced the "New Norton V4" failing to respond to the question " what engine was in it?" defo not a "Up front,open "person... he as a cheesy side to him...comming from the county i can smell a rat from a mile away.
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I didn't see the video, but I can smell the rat odor from Florida.
 
LAB, I was skipping through the channels and there was a a guy riding a Brough ,brand New $250.000 ..Next he was restoring a Yam XT500, then at the Norton Factory, watching the "New Spondon Norton" V4 being messed with,
It kept cutting out,t Mr Garner was looking on...Ring any Bell's? I think it was ITV 4 plus 1..about 8-9 ish.
 
john robert bould said:
I think it was ITV 4 plus 1..about 8-9 ish.
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Ah, yes, it was ITV 4 not Ch. 4, unfortunately it isn't available to watch on ITV Player. :roll:
 
Yes sorry ,ITV4 , Still cannot understand the concept of a Original Rotary chassis powered by a RSV4 motor? Piddling about with a None- Norton engine...
I suppose the chassis is not wide enough for a BMW S1000 engine :oops:
 
swooshdave said:
All hearsay until you prove otherwise. Rumors will sink a company as quickly as bad management.
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Everything comes from sources with documentation to prove the extent of their relationship with Norton. Nothing will be published that can not be substantiated. I totally agree that otherwsie it's all hearsay.

It is frustrating that while almost any manufacturer you care to name is happy to communicate with accredited media, Mr.Garner is very reluctant to comment in any situation which has not been structured as a PR opportunity. His assistant also refuses to comment. Contrast with Honda (or virtually any serious manufacturer): if a journalist has questions which the local Honda distributor/importer can not answer, the queries will be sent back to Japan and you end up with an 'on record' statement. It may or may not answer all the questions, but at least there is a channel. With Norton, that simply doesn't exist. Since like you say, rumour doesn't help, you would think Norton would be very keen to clear the air and dispel the many allegations. You have to remember that the UK taxpayer contributed £7.5 million to this opertaion, so given the amount of speculation, it seems entirely reasonable that in the absence of any statement from Norton, their operation is subjected to scrutiny.
 
camshaft said:
swooshdave said:
All hearsay until you prove otherwise. Rumors will sink a company as quickly as bad management.
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Everything comes from sources with documentation to prove the extent of their relationship with Norton. Nothing will be published that can not be substantiated. I totally agree that otherwsie it's all hearsay.

It is frustrating that while almost any manufacturer you care to name is happy to communicate with accredited media, Mr.Garner is very reluctant to comment in any situation which has not been structured as a PR opportunity. His assistant also refuses to comment. Contrast with Honda (or virtually any serious manufacturer): if a journalist has questions which the local Honda distributor/importer can not answer, the queries will be sent back to Japan and you end up with an 'on record' statement. It may or may not answer all the questions, but at least there is a channel. With Norton, that simply doesn't exist. Since like you say, rumour doesn't help, you would think Norton would be very keen to clear the air and dispel the many allegations. You have to remember that the UK taxpayer contributed £7.5 million to this opertaion, so given the amount of speculation, it seems entirely reasonable that in the absence of any statement from Norton, their operation is subjected to scrutiny.
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The best course of action in responding to rumors is to either ignore or deny. Either is an acceptable response. Neither are an indication of validity.

Whether they acknowledge every blogger as "accredited media" is up to them. :mrgreen:
 
camshaft said:
You have to remember that the UK taxpayer contributed £7.5 million to this opertaion, so given the amount of speculation, it seems entirely reasonable that in the absence of any statement from Norton, their operation is subjected to scrutiny.
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Are you saying then that Norton have defaulted on their loan from Santander ? as the UK government only guaranteed this loan and did not give any money to Norton, but then of course as you are searching for the truth you would have known that.
 
camshaft said:
Nothing will be published that can not be substantiated. I totally agree that otherwsie it's all hearsay.

You have to remember that the UK taxpayer contributed £7.5 million to this opertaion,
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I don't believe the UK taxpayer has contributed anything-yet!

The Santander ExEFG loan was £625,000

"Under ExEFG, the high street bank Santander is lending £625,000 to Norton."

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... cked-loan/

http://www.govopps.co.uk/cable-outlines ... torcycles/
 
Do you guys backing up Norton do any research, at all? There is page after page of complaints from people who have put down deposits as much as 100% who are still waiting after 2 years. The reason Norton is in trouble is they took deposits and never delivered the motorcycles. Period. I seriously doubt whether they can produce the bikes even if the deposit money still exists. The word is they've been cut off from suppliers for nonpayment. The question now is, was this whole thing a scam or just terrible planning and terrible management. Take your pick.
 
JimC said:
Do you guys backing up Norton do any research, at all? There is page after page of complaints from people who have put down deposits as much as 100% who are still waiting after 2 years. The reason Norton is in trouble is they took deposits and never delivered the motorcycles. Period. I seriously doubt whether they can produce the bikes even if the deposit money still exists. The word is they've been cut off from suppliers for nonpayment. The question now is, was this whole thing a scam or just terrible planning and terrible management. Take your pick.
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Page after page where?
 
JimC - Do you have a stake in a new bike (where being pissed could be justified) or are you just saying this BS to be really annoying? Because it's working...
 
JimC said:
There is page after page of complaints from people who have put down deposits as much as 100% who are still waiting after 2 years.
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It's all been fairly quiet recently.


JimC said:
The question now is, was this whole thing a scam or just terrible planning and terrible management. Take your pick.
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How could it be a scam?

As far as I'm aware, up until the ExEFG, Stuart Garner had basically financed this whole operation out of his own pocket - probably to the tune of several million pounds as the banks didn't want to know, because loaning money to start up a completely new motorcycle manufacturing business was obviously considered to be far too risky (which could of course still prove to be correct).

SG is an entrepreneur not an engineer, had he been an engineer then birth of Norton Motorcycles would probably never have got off the ground at all, and the fact that buyers are having to fund the building of their own bikes was probably the only way it was ever going to happen.

Meanwhile...back at the ranch: http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/news/ :)
 
Somehow, I think if this were any other brand startup, performing as Norton has, it wouldn't receive the support some of you are giving Norton. I think that support is totally unjustified. Obviously, some of you think otherwise. So be it.

And hell no, I don't have a deposit on a new Norton. Thank god!
 
Maybe I'm more cynical than some of you Norton supporters. It possible, because I've been boned out of a half million dollars by my brother a few years ago. That cut runs deep. I am by no means financially destitute, but the money was mine. I'll be damned if anyone will ever get over on me again.
 
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