T160 it is so damn heavy

My new stand just arrived and I’ll maybe get a chance later to have a look at it.

If I can get it upright then I’ll worry about the clearance later - I bet the spring’s wrong as well :( Easily sorted though.
 
Which reminds me, I need to repair my spring puller. I broke the handle last time I used it.
 
I removed the original stand yesterday and attempted to fit the T140 one. The bolts fit fine as the ends of the stand are threaded like the T160. But it fouls the lh silencer. Despite that minor setback I lifted it so easily onto the stand but it then simply rolls forwards again. That could be because it requires the spring to assist partly, and perhaps my soft rubber floor is too compliant. I will have another look dreckly.

Also, my original stand has been welded up in a couple of places and it is also badly twisted and not square where it bolts to the frame. It was extremely tight to move as a result of the misalignment. I’ve dropped it off to my metal working mate to rebuild it using the new T140 stand as a pattern, he’s also going to take 1/2” from the base and I will try that before cutting the new stand.
 
It would be interesting to know if your T160 stays on the stand when doing it on concrete and also how much the back tyre sits above the ground, if at all? I previously said in an earlier reply that my back tyre was "a good inch" from the ground when on the centre stand, but later on I measured it and it was just under 2 1/4" from the ground, so no wonder it is difficult to get it on the stand.

LAB did say that you might have to make / fit a t150 type stop plate bracket to stop the stand coming up so far.
 
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On my T150v is at 1 7/16" clearance with a pretty new TT100 19" wheel on smooth concrete. Measured several times as the
space looks bigger. It is plenty and useful when adjusting the chain or working on the rear area. But a bother to
put up on the stand. An inch less would be fine I think.
 

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Flatspot said:
But it fouls the lh silencer.
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That was a concern I had as my T160 doesn't have the standard exhaust.

Does the arm come to rest against the silencer or does it foul as it is being raised?

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That could be because it requires the spring to assist partly, and perhaps my soft rubber floor is too compliant. I will have another look dreckly.
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The raised stand stop is here...
T160 it is so damn heavy


...on both sides and where any adjustment needs to be made to increase the angle as I doubt it's due to the spring or the rubber floor although there doesn't seem to be any evidence of grinding of either the frame lugs or stand (when compared to the stand on my T140)...
T160 it is so damn heavy
 
I’m having a “I don’t want to do anything today” day at home. :cool:. So now after dropping both stands off to my pal, and then walking my dog, I'm now sat outside in the fresh air on the patio with a cuppa and a good book on the kindle app. The sun is shining brightly and it’s lovely and peaceful.
 
Finally more of an update. I have now fitted a brand new T160 mainstand. It needed a slight alteration as it would foul the lh silencer, easily sorted, the bane of pattern parts. The spring was a pain to fit and feels a bit soft but I’ll keep an eye on that.

Getting it onto the stand was comparatively simple, yes it is heavier and clumsier than the Commando, and makes my previous ZZR1400 seem like a lightweight, but it was nowhere near as bad as it was previously. I am very comfortable doing it despite my reduced strength from my current ill health. The additional lifting handle suggested to me has proven extremely useful.

I also know exactly why it was so darn heavy before - the old stand has been broken, and then rewelded very badly. It is markedly twisted and was binding on the pivots, so much so that it actually didn’t really need a spring to hold it up. Then when it was being used, it had one side down first as the other was out of alignment, consequently it was well out of balance along with being very stiff. Perhaps a 1/4 inch off the overall length could be of use, but as it is the rear wheel is slightly less than 2 inches off the ground. It’ll do for now.
 
Flatspot said:
I removed the original stand yesterday and attempted to fit the T140 one. The bolts fit fine as the ends of the stand are threaded like the T160. But it fouls the lh silencer. Despite that minor setback I lifted it so easily onto the stand but it then simply rolls forwards again. That could be because it requires the spring to assist partly, and perhaps my soft rubber floor is too compliant. I will have another look dreckly.

Also, my original stand has been welded up in a couple of places and it is also badly twisted and not square where it bolts to the frame. It was extremely tight to move as a result of the misalignment. I’ve dropped it off to my metal working mate to rebuild it using the new T140 stand as a pattern, he’s also going to take 1/2” from the base and I will try that before cutting the new stand.
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How much did the t140 stand contact the left silencer ?
What would need modifying to stop the bike rolling forwards ?
Cheers
 
I have a old 1976 GL1000 and it is heavy, but the bit you stand on helps with the "levering onto the stand" can you alter the bit you stand on for a little bit more help ? .
 
Shelby-Right said:
I have a old 1976 GL1000 and it is heavy, but the bit you stand on helps with the "levering onto the stand" can you alter the bit you stand on for a little bit more help ? .
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If you were asking me.
I have deduced the greatest part of my problem was actually the very damaged stand that was on the bike originally, this was not swivelling unless a great deal of effort was put in.

Once a new one was fitted, after rewelding the lever in the correct place to clear the silencer, then everything was sorted, for me at least. I fully understand why someone who isn’t my size 6’1” and 14 stone (195lb) will find it awkward to lift even having the LPW lifting handle fitted.

The T140 stand I tried first of all had the lever in the wrong place, but otherwise worked nice and smooth. Rather than reweld the lever in a suitable place, and then additionally fit a T150 stop, I decided to fit a new T160 one, only to find the lever was identical to the T140. The lever on my damaged stand was correct and so we used that as a pattern, we could have used heat and bent it slightly but decided to cut and reweld.
 
Flatspot said:
If you were asking me.
I have deduced the greatest part of my problem was actually the very damaged stand that was on the bike originally, this was not swivelling unless a great deal of effort was put in.

Once a new one was fitted, after rewelding the lever in the correct place to clear the silencer, then everything was sorted, for me at least. I fully understand why someone who isn’t my size 6’1” and 14 stone (195lb) will find it awkward to lift even having the LPW lifting handle fitted.

The T140 stand I tried first of all had the lever in the wrong place, but otherwise worked nice and smooth. Rather than reweld the lever in a suitable place, and then additionally fit a T150 stop, I decided to fit a new T160 one, only to find the lever was identical to the T140. The lever on my damaged stand was correct and so we used that as a pattern, we could have used heat and bent it slightly but decided to cut and reweld.
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Many owners cross brace the stands as well, to prevent them bending again. The Police used to do do this as a matter of course on some of their bikes.
 
Flatspot said:
I thought I’d finished working on the Trident and got it off the ramp, and what a struggle that was, it only wanted to slide across the surface. Finally I managed it and wheeled it outside so I could start it up and actually listen to it running properly.

Fine, I got the Commando out, View attachment 85953View attachment 85954and that as usual started first prod of the starter button and quickly settled down to a nice idle.

So, to the Trident, fuel on, tickled, ignition on, thumbed the button and it refuses to fire up. Oh buggerit I need to check what I’ve done to the ignition system as it was working the last time I checked.

But now to the real problem. I can not get it up into the centrestand. It’s a heavy bike granted, but I’ve had heavier, and none so awkward. Yes, I do have a lifting handle fitted - but it is beyond me to lift it. Perhaps as a consequence of my recent heart attack I’m losing strength - but the Commando pops up like a dream.

Is there a knack, or am I just too knackered?
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