Side stand gap

swooshdave · Mar 12, 2021

RoadScholar said:
I was going to suggest that you stop burning time and purchase a side stand kit; it has been some time since I purchased one...wow are they expensive! Building up the flat that limits the side stands travel, as previously suggested, sounds pretty good. The spacer/bushing that bolt secures come in 2 ODs, the pre-mk3 and the mk3, check the ID of your side stand if you need one, they are very inexpensive. If the hole in the side stand is hogged out...

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This one? $12.

danfr · Mar 13, 2021

L.A.B. said:
It would have had the weak 'pin' lug, originally. Either the pin would break or the circlip (and therefore the stand) would fall off!

Old Britts, Upgrading the 1971 Side Stand Lug

swooshdave said:
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This one? $12.

I think he was referring to the side stand kit with the stand, spring, bushing and hardware.

danfr · Mar 13, 2021

So I had a welder weld on some flat mold steel. It’s a $5 fix and should hold up.

I also have a bushing on order. I’ll get the stand drilled out and have the bushing installed. Is it a press/interference fit?

L.A.B. · Mar 13, 2021

danfr said:
Is it a press/interference fit?

No, the stand pivots around the bush which is clamped to the lug by the bolt.

Ray Z · Mar 13, 2021

swooshdave said:
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This one? $12.

Ella at Old Britts sold me a stand kit and it works perfectly on my 73 850 Commando. A little tricky to put on but it works well.

swooshdave · Mar 13, 2021

Ray Z said:
Ella at Old Britts sold me a stand kit and it works perfectly on my 73 850 Commando. A little tricky to put on but it works well.

Too bad they’re retired.

danfr · Mar 13, 2021

L.A.B. said:
No, the stand pivots around the bush which is clamped to the lug by the bolt.

Gotcha, ok thanks. I’ll just have to drill out the stand and want the proper clearance.

danfr · Mar 13, 2021

Ray Z said:
Ella at Old Britts sold me a stand kit and it works perfectly on my 73 850 Commando. A little tricky to put on but it works well.

This is already installed on the bike

Ray Z · Mar 13, 2021

swooshdave said:
Too bad they’re retired.

They are still liquidating their inventory. I got several parts from them today

RoadScholar · Mar 14, 2021

swooshdave said:
This one? $12.

No, I was referring to the bushing that the side stand pivots on.

The weldable lug you did reference shows a big difference between it and what the OP is dealing with, good point. As most members know the side stand has a hard rubber bumper that holds it off the frame and quiets the noise and abrasion. Also, if properly angled keeps the stand from interfering with the left silencer. I like the later stands owing to the extension that allows for easy deployment, which greatly aids in avoiding burns when I ride with my flip-flops...

swooshdave · Mar 14, 2021

RoadScholar said:
No, I was referring to the bushing that the side stand pivots on.

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The weldable lug you did reference shows a big difference between it and what the OP is dealing with, good point. As most members know the side stand has a hard rubber bumper that holds it off the frame and quiets the noise and abrasion. Also, if properly angled keeps the stand from interfering with the left silencer. I like the later stands owing to the extension that allows for easy deployment, which greatly aids in avoiding burns when I ride with my flip-flops...

I went through that too with the bushing. It made a huge difference.

Deckard · Mar 15, 2021

I suspect your side stand already has a bushing in it, just may not be visible due to age. If it's seized in the stand then maybe you would need to drill it out.

Stephen Hill · Mar 15, 2021

The weld repair will work for a while. But the contact area is small and you will probably find it will wear, over-rotate, and the bike will sit at an unacceptable angle. Then you will need to weld the bracket and not the side stand, or a combination of both. That way you can change the angle of lean AND where the side stand sits when it is retracted.

Deckard · Mar 15, 2021

Deckard said:
I suspect your side stand already has a bushing in it, just may not be visible due to age. If it's seized in the stand then maybe you would need to drill it out.

And the mounting lug looks exactly like what is sold for the purpose of updating '71 frames. What others are not aware of unless they have a '71, The lug is also welded to a crossmember that is not visible in these photos. Plenty of strength if it's welded there and on frame loop that is visible in photo's. Those stands wear out long before the mounting lug, so just a consumable. You've bought some life for $5.

fiatfan · Mar 16, 2021

danfr said:
That is correct. The side stand doesn’t fully return to the frame. It catches a little bit. I was planning on grinding down the back of the lug so that the side stand returns. I’m assuming that the spring with hold it closed? If not, I can always use some strong magnets to hold it closed.

That magnet thing has crossed my mind also, I know there´s strong ones today but I wonder how do they cope with the vibration and shaking when driving? I don´t like that long spring....

danfr · Mar 20, 2021

Deckard said:
And the mounting lug looks exactly like what is sold for the purpose of updating '71 frames. What others are not aware of unless they have a '71, The lug is also welded to a crossmember that is not visible in these photos. Plenty of strength if it's welded there and on frame loop that is visible in photo's. Those stands wear out long before the mounting lug, so just a consumable. You've bought some life for $5.

Ya it’s welded right to the cross member. Looks very beefy. I would imagine the stand would go before the mounting lug gives way.

danfr · Mar 20, 2021

Stephen Hill said:
The weld repair will work for a while. But the contact area is small and you will probably find it will wear, over-rotate, and the bike will sit at an unacceptable angle. Then you will need to weld the bracket and not the side stand, or a combination of both. That way you can change the angle of lean AND where the side stand sits when it is retracted.

100% what I’m thinking as well. It’ll get me on the road for now. In the future, I may need to build things up and shape them for a better mating fit, but it’s fine for now.

danfr · Mar 20, 2021

RoadScholar said:
No, I was referring to the bushing that the side stand pivots on.

View attachment 78632

The weldable lug you did reference shows a big difference between it and what the OP is dealing with, good point. As most members know the side stand has a hard rubber bumper that holds it off the frame and quiets the noise and abrasion. Also, if properly angled keeps the stand from interfering with the left silencer. I like the later stands owing to the extension that allows for easy deployment, which greatly aids in avoiding burns when I ride with my flip-flops...

The bushing arrived from walridge this week so I’ll get the side stand machined out so there’s a bit of clearance between the stand and the bushing. It’s a nice tight fit with the replacement bolt I got.

Deckard · Mar 20, 2021

Just to be the wag. How's the center stand? '71 center stands were pretty poor. I upgraded to 850 center stand and never looked back. I prefer to kickstart with it up on center stand anyway.
Issues with left carb flooding on side stand and lack of faith of it being on side stand while kicking to start, etc. Maybe because I got used to not really having a side stand, I got used to always putting it on the center stand.

danfr · Mar 20, 2021

Deckard said:
Just to be the wag. How's the center stand? '71 center stands were pretty poor. I upgraded to 850 center stand and never looked back. I prefer to kickstart with it up on center stand anyway.
Issues with left carb flooding on side stand and lack of faith of it being on side stand while kicking to start, etc. Maybe because I got used to not really having a side stand, I got used to always putting it on the center stand.

It never came with a center stand. I purchased a used one here on the forum and it was totally twisted and unusable. I’m feeling pretty burnt and funds are super tight right now so i currently don’t have anything other than the side stand.

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