Question to Dominator and Commando 961 owners

City Garage said:

I agree but I don’t assume that he has a 4 until I actually see it. There where some odd 630 units out there as well.

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The abs models main harness will only work with a euro 4 ecu, the two are integrated ie they weren't two seperate sub harnesses on one bike. The euro 4 bikes take their road speed signal from the abs speed ring, whilst euro 3 runs from the gearbox sensor. The 630 was the most popular ecu, and my personal favorite...and apart from the short run of SC ecu'd bikes, was the only euro 3 ecu Norton used. I'm not sure, but did many euro 4 bikes make it to the states, or was it mainly SC and 630 Omex bikes?

Stu Bodycote said:

The abs models main harness will only work with a euro 4 ecu, the two are integrated ie they weren't two seperate sub harnesses on one bike. The euro 4 bikes take their road speed signal from the abs speed ring, whilst euro 3 runs from the gearbox sensor. The 630 was the most popular ecu, and my personal favorite...and apart from the short run of SC ecu'd bikes, was the only euro 3 ecu Norton used. I'm not sure, but did many euro 4 bikes make it to the states, or was it mainly SC and 630 Omex bikes?

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That is my ECU, can anyone please tell me which ECU is that I have? Thanks guys

Stu Bodycote said:

The abs models main harness will only work with a euro 4 ecu, the two are integrated ie they weren't two seperate sub harnesses on one bike. The euro 4 bikes take their road speed signal from the abs speed ring, whilst euro 3 runs from the gearbox sensor. The 630 was the most popular ecu, and my personal favorite...and apart from the short run of SC ecu'd bikes, was the only euro 3 ecu Norton used. I'm not sure, but did many euro 4 bikes make it to the states, or was it mainly SC and 630 Omex bikes?

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No Ive not seen any Euro 4 at the shop.

City Garage said:

I would confirm what ECU you have first and that its a Euro 4. Look at at the back of the unit

Also, search is your friend. Many of the answers are in the forum already and also it would seem you haven't visited OMEX website as the manuals and other information are available to look at. It also shows the pinouts for the connector etc.

Also if you don't have it obtain a wiring diagram.

I will start with this warning. If you unplug any ECU OMEX or SCS without disconnecting the battery then you risk shorting the ECU. I have a box of them that customers have shorted and then wonder why they dont work.

The recommended adapter from Omex is this. It plugs into the back of the unit

As recommended you need to download the software which is on the OMEX site If you are not tech savy then don't do any of this.

Also, the password that has been used might not be the one for your unit.

The communication pins are

Front connector pin
2 RS232TX
3 RS232RX
5 GND GND

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That is my ECU of the Dominator 961 2020 and my OBD 2, can anyone please tell me which ECU is that I have? Thanks guys

Stu Bodycote said:

Yeah, as per CG, always battery off!
If it has abs...its euro 4. The euro 4 ecu does not have a 232 connection like Omex euro 3, so you'll need the obd2 adaptor, and connect via the main harness. The password should only be on pre-homologated bikes though, so shouldnt be a concern here. There probably wont be much info if any on the omex site for the euro 4 ecu...but map 4000 should automatically recognise what its hooked up to.
In reality though, its a pretty dumbed down ecu. It wont tell you much. If the bike runs fine, but the eml is on....then it most probably picked up a sporadic out of parameter signal from the cam sensor. Updating to the latest Bosch sensor helps...but aint a 100% fix. Norton need to widen the parameters. If it starts but dies when you try to rev up...MAP sensor. If it doesnt start at all....cam sensor, tilt switch, crank sensor...generally in that order. You can clear the light if the faults sorted yourself on the road....or so Ive found.

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so they are using pins 6 and 14 for communications which is standard. I wonder if the SCS adapter would then work on Omex Euro 4 since its wired for communication the same way?

NortonDominator2020 said:

That is my ECU of the Dominator 961 2020 and my OBD 2, can anyone please tell me which ECU is that I have? Thanks guys

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As Stu stated it is a Euro 4. You will need to make an adapter or buy one. Before you go through the trouble I would replace the sensors Stu has recommended to see if that helps.

City Garage said:

As Stu stated it is a Euro 4. You will need to make an adapter or buy one. Before you go through the trouble I would replace the sensors Stu has recommended to see if that helps.

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Nothing is a trouble for me, I want to be able to read error codes and install and re map my de cat pipes and short slip ons…

I have the ECU Maps files 1 and 2 to re map the de cat pipes but I don’t have the cable to go inside…

What is the ECU flash cable that I need to read errors and to map the de cat pipes with the short slip ons?
Name and part number?
Where I can buy one?
How do I make an adapter?

City Garage said:

No Ive not seen any Euro 4 at the shop.

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Wonder why we didnt ship many bikes over to America once we went euro 4....maybe we fell short of something? But yeah, totally different set up. The only euro 3 bike

City Garage said:

so they are using pins 6 and 14 for communications which is standard. I wonder if the SCS adapter would then work on Omex Euro 4 since its wired for communication the same way?

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Here you go dude, worth saving for if you see one in your shop

Stu Bodycote said:

Wonder why we didnt ship many bikes over to America once we went euro 4....maybe we fell short of something? But yeah, totally different set up. The only euro 3 bike

Here you go dude, worth saving for if you see one in your shop

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Attachment file doesn’t open.

Stu can you please help and reply my questions above?

Thanks

Opens fine for me?
Its a euro 4 wiring diagram. From that and all the other info you've been given, you'll be able to make your lead up chap.

Stu Bodycote said:

Opens fine for me?
Its a euro 4 wiring diagram. From that and all the other info you've been given, you'll be able to make your lead up chap.

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I just opened it thanks.
BUT WHY give me a lot of leads instead of just tell me what cable I need and let me go crazy here already and ask a million questions?

Why No one until now has wrote the cable that I need to buy.

My actual cable is a 232 soldered to the pins of a obd connector, with a usb adaptor. I never followed the links sent to me by the Norton electronics guy...I had already ordered the bits to make up my own lead (sorry Clive, I should have double checked that myself instead of relying on someone else to double check before sending me a link).
We're not factory supported, we have to think out the box a little, more so now than ever. With the wiring diagram, you can make your own lead. The info is predominantly already in this forum, via the search functions. I spend hours on an evening, Googling and cross referencing parts etc....on top of working two jobs, and having a two month old baby. It's 10:42pm, Ive finally finished in the workshop for the evening, will have some dinner and bath, then up at 6:30am for my day job....so if I can find the time to Google stuff, so can you

Stu Bodycote said:

Opens fine for me?
Its a euro 4 wiring diagram. From that and all the other info you've been given, you'll be able to make your lead up chap.

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Yep opened fine and is the same diagram I have.

City Garage said:

As Stu stated it is a Euro 4. You will need to make an adapter or buy one. Before you go through the trouble I would replace the sensors Stu has recommended to see if that helps.

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What an adapter? Or buy one? Which one?

No straight answer from anyone until now.

Stu Bodycote said:

My actual cable is a 232 soldered to the pins of a obd connector, with a usb adaptor. I never followed the links sent to me by the Norton electronics guy...I had already ordered the bits to make up my own lead (sorry Clive, I should have double checked that myself instead of relying on someone else to double check before sending me a link).
We're not factory supported, we have to think out the box a little, more so now than ever. With the wiring diagram, you can make your own lead. The info is predominantly already in this forum, via the search functions. I spend hours on an evening, Googling and cross referencing parts etc....on top of working two jobs, and having a two month old baby. It's 10:42pm, Ive finally finished in the workshop for the evening, will have some dinner and bath, then up at 6:30am for my day job....so if I can find the time to Google stuff, so can you

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NortonDominator2020 said:

I just opened it thanks.
BUT what is the problem to just tell me what cable I need instead of letting me go crazy here already and ask a million questions?

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NortonDominator2020 said:

What an adapter? Or buy one? Which one?

No straight answer from anyone until now.

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Here is thought since you want to be an Asshat. If that term doesn't translate to your part of the world then here is a link.

Next time you need something because of how you are acting you won't get many replies. The answer me now and why dont you give me an answer attitude doesn't sit well with me at all. You demand someone tell you what you want to know? You really are pushing it for something that amounts to free advice. I stated earlier in a reply that search is your friend yet you haven't done anything except badger people to handhold you which is rather rude.
For the 10th time look it up. No one has time to give you a step-by-step on what you need to do.

You don't understand how the rs232 or obd connectors work then you shouldn't be working on the ECU as you will short it out. If you don't know basic wiring or electronics you might want a motorcycle mechanic to help you

We come here from time to time to share information not to be your personal tech support. Others have chimed in yet you don't get the answer you like so you complain or make rude comments.

Did you even reach out to Omex?
Did you look at the Euro 4 diagram before?
Do you have a service manual?
I mention the SCS adapter did you look at that to see what it is?

I gave you the EXACT pinouts for the ODB in my other reply and with Stu's information, you can see what needs to be done.

As Stu states, we have given you all the information you need. It is up to you to figure out what is needed for your setup

I for one won't help you after this post and I hope others read this post before help you any further

Stu Bodycote said:

My actual cable is a 232 soldered to the pins of a obd connector, with a usb adaptor. I never followed the links sent to me by the Norton electronics guy...I had already ordered the bits to make up my own lead (sorry Clive, I should have double checked that myself instead of relying on someone else to double check before sending me a link).
We're not factory supported, we have to think out the box a little, more so now than ever. With the wiring diagram, you can make your own lead. The info is predominantly already in this forum, via the search functions. I spend hours on an evening, Googling and cross referencing parts etc....on top of working two jobs, and having a two month old baby. It's 10:42pm, Ive finally finished in the workshop for the evening, will have some dinner and bath, then up at 6:30am for my day job....so if I can find the time to Google stuff, so can you

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City Garage said:

Here is thought since you want to be an Asshat. If that term doesn't translate to your part of the world then here is a link.

Next time you need something because of how you are acting you won't get many replies. The answer me now and why dont you give me an answer attitude doesn't sit well with me at all. You demand someone tell you what you want to know? You really are pushing it for something that amounts to free advice. I stated earlier in a reply that search is your friend yet you haven't done anything except badger people to handhold you which is rather rude.
For the 10th time look it up. No one has time to give you a step-by-step on what you need to do.

You don't understand how the rs232 or obd connectors work then you shouldn't be working on the ECU as you will short it out. If you don't know basic wiring or electronics you might want a motorcycle mechanic to help you

We come here from time to time to share information not to be your personal tech support. Others have chimed in yet you don't get the answer you like so you complain or make rude comments.

Did you even reach out to Omex?
Did you look at the Euro 4 diagram before?
Do you have a service manual?
I mention the SCS adapter did you look at that to see what it is?

I gave you the EXACT pinouts for the ODB in my other reply and with Stu's information, you can see what needs to be done.

As Stu states, we have given you all the information you need. It is up to you to figure out what is needed for your setup

I for one won't help you after this post and I hope others read this post before help you any further

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You are a “lucky guy” I will tell you this and you can guess why.

I asked everything very nicely from the beginning, I reacted “like” on most of the replies I got and I wrote a lot of thanks to everyone.
I’m very frustrated as everyone can see and most understood it and even wrote that they understand my frustration but you didn’t and that’s ok.
Now you can take my frustration into consideration or still think that I’m rude it is up to you.

This forum is for sharing/giving information and NOT for telling someone that is in trouble to go search for information.

Thank you for your help.

NortonDominator2020 said:

You are a “lucky guy” I will tell you this and you can guess why.

I asked everything very nicely from the beginning, I reacted “like” on most of the replies I got and I wrote a lot of thanks to everyone.
I’m very frustrated as everyone can see and most understood it and even wrote that they understand my frustration but you didn’t and that’s ok.
Now you can take my frustration into consideration or still think that I’m rude it is up to you.

This forum is for sharing/giving information and NOT for telling someone that is in trouble to go search for information.

Thank you for your help.

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Get a Digital Multi Meter. That will help you diag the check engine light. You’ll learn more with a DMM than you will using a scan tool that you can’t get.

Voodooo said:

Get a Digital Multi Meter. That will help you diag the check engine light. You’ll learn more with a DMM than you will using a scan tool that you can’t get.

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Thanks.
I will forward all the information from all the great guys here to my mechanics and I hope they can figure it out.
Thanks again!

NortonDominator2020 said:

You are a “lucky guy” I will tell you this and you can guess why.

I asked everything very nicely from the beginning, I reacted “like” on most of the replies I got and I wrote a lot of thanks to everyone.
I’m very frustrated as everyone can see and most understood it and even wrote that they understand my frustration but you didn’t and that’s ok.
Now you can take my frustration into consideration or still think that I’m rude it is up to you.

This forum is for sharing/giving information and NOT for telling someone that is in trouble to go search for information.

Thank you for your help.

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Thanks for proving my point.

But why don't you tell me why I am so lucky because evidently, I haven't won the lottery. If you want to make a threat then be a man and make it. I'm not hiding behind a screen name. I think you will find everyone agrees with what I said and your frustration excuse is just that an excuse You have been here all of a week demanding answers.

City Garage said:

I would confirm what ECU you have first and that its a Euro 4. Look at at the back of the unit

Also, search is your friend. Many of the answers are in the forum already and also it would seem you haven't visited OMEX website as the manuals and other information are available to look at. It also shows the pinouts for the connector etc.

Also if you don't have it obtain a wiring diagram.

I will start with this warning. If you unplug any ECU OMEX or SCS without disconnecting the battery then you risk shorting the ECU. I have a box of them that customers have shorted and then wonder why they dont work.

The recommended adapter from Omex is this. It plugs into the back of the unit

As recommended you need to download the software which is on the OMEX site If you are not tech savy then don't do any of this.

Also, the password that has been used might not be the one for your unit.

The communication pins are

Front connector pin
2 RS232TX
3 RS232RX
5 GND GND

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Hello Lance , Thanks for helping out with this.