What is the working temperature of oil in a Norton twin? Exceeding 212 'F/100 'C is not good for any oil, but does it matter much if the temperature is 80-90 degrees C (176-194 'F)?From random sampling on various bikes even a day when it was 32 C, the oil tank temperature was not even near the working temperature of the oil.
I race a Rickman.....I have burnt my inner thighs on the frame/oil cooler/oil tank!Unless you live in Death Valley or the hottest parts of Oz, then you certainly will not need one. In the UK, not even if you ride full throttle everywhere. From random sampling on various bikes even a day when it was 32 C, the oil tank temperature was not even near the working temperature of the oil. If you ride in traffic congested areas, an oil cooler is not much help in which case you need a decent oil.
How does this valve work?
Dennis
You had me at "lengthy holidays in the South of France"I put an oil cooler on my Commando when I was taking lengthy holidays in the South of France, a combination of a very hot sun and very slow traffic along the coast roads did concern me, my oil pressure dropped to almost nothing at times. I ran the oil return from engine to a cooler mounted high on the front of the frame, then back to the oil tank (1970 bike, no oil filter). It all worked really well, keeping the oil temperature down and oil pressure up.
Now when I ride the bike its in the UK and generally North of Preston, so traffic is generally fairly light, giving plenty of airflow over the engine, and the ambient temperatures aren't high 30s, so I've just removed the oil cooler, it wasn't doing any good, and was probably just keeping the oil at a less than optimum temperature.
Please explain why 70 °C is too cool ?I did extensive road tests with different temp. probes in hot weather with my Commando ( light, solo, alu oil tank, alloy barrel..) and oil temp. in the tank had trouble reaching 70 °C. ( = too cool)
Right.I think any measure helping to cool oil to the cylinder head is worth a consideration, at least for those doing extended trips.
- Knut
Ok, maybe 70°C is fine, but I said it has trouble reaching 70.Please explain why 70 °C is too cool ?
- Knut
The joy of being retired@olympus time to think of a different winter project methinks.
For every gallon of petrol you burn you create approx 1 gal of water, most goes out the exhaust and is seen as steam coming out of the exhaust pipes on cold mornings. Blowby past the rings down into the crankcase brings some of this water into the oil. Best way to get rid of this water is out the oil tank breather pipe which requires the oil to be hot enough in the tank to release the water. Fit an oil cooler that works all the time and you end up with a lot of water in the oil.I would prefer it to be over 70 to get all the water out.
Never had no signs of water in my oil from been running an oil cooler all year round, but so many have a lot of opinions about running an oil cooler, but it works for me and my Norton runs so much better with what I have been doing with it, its reliable and I gotten long life out of my motor, my motor gets up to temp when out and the hot oil is getting cooled down a bit before going back through a hot motor and with a smaller capacity oil tank it's very important, I have never topped up my oil between oil changes.For every gallon of petrol you burn you create approx 1 gal of water, most goes out the exhaust and is seen as steam coming out of the exhaust pipes on cold mornings. Blowby past the rings down into the crankcase brings some of this water into the oil. Best way to get rid of this water is out the oil tank breather pipe which requires the oil to be hot enough in the tank to release the water. Fit an oil cooler that works all the time and you end up with a lot of water in the oil.
Ha! "A lot of water" is like asking how long is a rubber band. The rather short intervals of oil changes, combustion of oil (yes, some oil goes the opposite way past the piston rings), evaporation of water past the venting system due to the engine's internal heat (we all have fabulous reed valves by now, don't we?), and lastly ongoing evaporation from the oil tank vent along with other light hydrocarbons should minimize potential problems of having water accumulation in the oil, I think.Fit an oil cooler that works all the time and you end up with a lot of water in the oil.
Well running a oil cooler since 1978 haven't had any problem yet so far, so your saying every motor has water in the oil???The water is unseen in the oil but it's there, when it gets really bad the the oil emulsifies and looks milky.
I just ride and enjoy my bike time, hasn't killed it yet, in fact haven't killed any bikes in the 50+ years of riding, blew up two car motors from loss of oil pressure, first one got me home with a lot of noise the other I was 100 miles from home and it just locked up and died on the side of the road lol, I had to shoot it to put it out of its misery lol.Yes, once the engine has been first run after an oil change water enters the oil, there is an equilibrium between the water coming in via ring blowby and the heat evaporating the water and then exiting via the breather. The colder the oil the higher the water content as less water is driven off. High water content ages the oil via oxidation and reduces the oils potential oil film thickness.