Norton V4SV: New Norton’s new superbike unveiled

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Tony,
That's an artist's rendering of the future V4.
I'm not a red wheel guy, but if the real V4 looks something like this, that would be cool.
Most sportbikes have a hideously bulbous, cat embedded silencer.
The pipe pictured is nice, and kinda looks like the pipe on the Kawasaki H2R.

I'm still waiting to see the hooligan version.
Come on Norton get cracking, I ain't gettin' any younger.
 
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Tony,
That's an artist's rendering of the future V4.
I'm not a red wheel guy, but if the real V4 looks something like this, that would be cool.
Most sportbikes have a hideously bulbous, cat embedded silencer.
The pipe pictured is nice, and kinda looks like the pipe on the Kawasaki H2R.

I'm still waiting to see the hooligan version.
Come on Norton get cracking, I ain't gettin' any younger.
I really like the one they had on display that had the JPS Norton silver stripes on it the best. It will be expensive that's for sure and lets hope for a dealer network and USA approval . This could be years away. Seems like years already .
 

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Yeah, establishing a US dealer network, (at least 1 dealer :D ) and get the V4 approved by the USDOT, and various state DOT's.
Years for sure.
I'll probably be riding my Rascal scooter by then. :(
 

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An interesting article in todays MCN, with a few pictures of the new facilities and an interview with the new CEO. Expected price of the new V4 is £44k, with a special price of £10k plus the return of their SG Era V4 for current ornamant owners..they just want them off the street. Given they have no obligation, I recon that isn't a bad deal. 200 will be built and while they recon they can make 8k bikes a year. Initially, due to emissions, the bikes will be SVA'd (single vehicle approval), but production will ramp up at the end of 2023/2024. MCN recon a streetfighter version could be on the cards...nothing official, but would make sense to make something like that a la Ducati's V4 street fighter on the same platform. That could be something special! It all looks promising, so lets see. One picture shows 14x 961's vs the one or two previously seen, which is positive. What exactly they mean by 'factory opening' is unclear. It appears to be working...so open to visitors/prospective purchasers?
 

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Seems like reasonable way forward.
But please Norton, don't use the ridiculously pretentious name "Streetfighter" for the naked version.
I like Nigel's "Combat" model, or "Parabellum."
With a emblem like a Commando with a dagger in his teeth, wearing ammo belts.
Anything that will make the PC crowd foam at the mouth.
 
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So the owners apparently have till the end of next week to give back their defective bikes, pay £10K and get the new model. Upsetting for them but they end up with a cracking bike from the new high quality Norton company. Keep it and what value do they have.

That's according to the latest video from Lamb Chops Rides
 

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So the owners apparently have till the end of next week to give back their defective bikes, pay £10K and get the new model. Upsetting for them but they end up with a cracking bike from the new high quality Norton company. Keep it and what value do they have.

That's according to the latest video from Lamb Chops Rides
No one likes to ‘lose’ £10k of course, so I’m sure many will still whine about this.

But these bikes are 2 years old, and any top spec two year old bike (or car) is gonna take a big hit in terms of value.

Add to that the fact that they’d be getting the absolute new and improved version, with full warranty and backing etc it’s a no brainer.

How on Earth will anyone ever be able to use, service, maintain, repair one of the Garner V4s ?

And if they think they could get a better deal selling private then, well, they’re delusional !!

Finally, although no one likes hearing it, new Norton are not legally required to do any of this.
 

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I saw a post on face book where a guy was saying ‘I and the current V4s owners look forwards to a face to face meeting.......it seems in response to this offer.... almost like a veiled threat. As upset as I’m sure they are, and with good reason, the focus of their ire should not be the current Norton. Norton have made a significant gesture that they did not have to make. In the context, I think the offer is more than reasonable and more generous than I would have guessed for sure! They need to make big boy decisions. Take the offer or take their chances with the administrators. Their position seems to follow the logic of the sins of the father are the sins of the son. I’m sure some will have a more pragmatic approach and jump at the chance. I would!
 

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First time i misheard it as giving 10k off the new bike, and thought that was perhaps a bit mean. 10k to swap is pretty generous, would just be a bugger if you had spent all your play money the first time and couldn't afford the offer.
 
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I suppose the threat bit is the fact that it was TVS Norton who got the DVSA to condemn the bikes leaving the owners between a rock and a hard place. However the £10K is a lot less than the rectification costs and recertification by DVSA or the lottery of relying on the administrator for a full refund. So less hard place more soft but painful.
 

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Look at it this way. Six months ago those bikes were scrap value only. Now in part exchange they are worth £34,000 !

I think it's a very generous offer from a company that has no legal obligation and I would bite Norton's arm off personally.
 

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First time i misheard it as giving 10k off the new bike, and thought that was perhaps a bit mean. 10k to swap is pretty generous, would just be a bugger if you had spent all your play money the first time and couldn't afford the offer.
Yep, if you can't afford the 10k, that is indeed tough. Let me go and google and find out if life is fair. I think I know what I will find! The upside I think is..if these are indeed very limited in numbers and are built and supported well...and things look promising, these may at least hold their value, or increase in value over the long term.

I've just watched the above video. If it's the case that the V4 owners aren't even unsecured creditors, this is a crappy situation.....but even if they were, they would be at the bottom of a long list of such creditors I would guess.

Once again, the sentiment is 'a company that has zero legal obligation to me and did not design or build my bike and did not receive any money from me for my bike, has failed to address my issues'. He complains that there has been no coverage and a youtuber has not reached out to them. Well, like it or not, social media seems to be a big force. Make more videos, get owners together, do something yourself. They even have a group on facebook, but it's a closed group. Not exactly the best way to publicise your issue I guess. Having said that, they are still beating a dead horse on this one I'm afraid.
 

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I suppose the threat bit is the fact that it was TVS Norton who got the DVSA to condemn the bikes leaving the owners between a rock and a hard place. However the £10K is a lot less than the rectification costs and recertification by DVSA or the lottery of relying on the administrator for a full refund. So less hard place more soft but painful.
I think that had two aspects. Morally, if the bikes were that dangerous, reporting the serious failures was the right thing. Unsure if TVS Norton had the choice to condemn or not...it maybe that they reported the issues and the 'no ride' decision was DVSA's based on this, or if Norton made the recommendation based on their findings. We may never know. The other aspect is Norton probably don't want these bikes out there from a PR perspective. I don't think you would see them out though...who would insure one for road use? the two aspects could be linked though. Who knows!
 
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' Their position seems to follow the logic of the sins of the father are the sins of the son.'

You don't have to look far in today's society to see that seems to be a common assumption these days...
 

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' Their position seems to follow the logic of the sins of the father are the sins of the son.'

You don't have to look far in today's society to see that seems to be a common assumption these days...
Sadly, very true.
 

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Yep, if you can't afford the 10k, that is indeed tough. Let me go and google and find out if life is fair. I think I know what I will find! The upside I think is..if these are indeed very limited in numbers and are built and supported well...and things look promising, these may at least hold their value, or increase in value over the long term.
100% agree, i should have included a "but shit happens" comment. :)
 

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I think that had two aspects. Morally, if the bikes were that dangerous, reporting the serious failures was the right thing. Unsure if TVS Norton had the choice to condemn or not...it maybe that they reported the issues and the 'no ride' decision was DVSA's based on this, or if Norton made the recommendation based on their findings. We may never know. The other aspect is Norton probably don't want these bikes out there from a PR perspective. I don't think you would see them out though...who would insure one for road use? the two aspects could be linked though. Who knows!
I expect that under health and safety legislation they would be obliged to notify in some manner, and agree it is morally the right thing in any event.
 

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It’s bizarre that new Norton are getting grief for acting in th e right way about these defects.

Imagine the (justifiable) criticism if they’d done nowt… and someone died…!

Moaning that you’ve lost some money on a top end luxury item vs being dead is the epitome of a first world problem IMHO !!
 
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