dynodave said:1. Current owner does not have the intellect to change the carb mounting components.
2 Without studs- nuts and long Allen screws the carbs and manifolds will fall off. :?:
annajeannette said:dynodave said:1. Current owner does not have the intellect to change the carb mounting components.
2 Without studs- nuts and long Allen screws the carbs and manifolds will fall off. :?:
with inlet studs a make my own on my lathe rolled threats and make then that bit longer so you can then fit an extra domed nuts to lock up the end thread so they will never come undone this bit of work that makes things at bit better i use domed nuts on the engine plates too they finish the look of the bike off
Matchless said:My unmodified one previous owner 650ss, first registered in February 1962, has two cap head socket screws & two studs holding the carbs on.
Martyn.
Where do you get the parts list from?annajeannette said:Matchless said:My unmodified one previous owner 650ss, first registered in February 1962, has two cap head socket screws & two studs holding the carbs on.
Martyn.
Well I have the Norton Manxman 650 parts Manual it dose not tell you about any allen screws on the inlet manifold So what your saying is the Factory's own parts manual is wrong
annajeannette said:Matchless said:My unmodified one previous owner 650ss, first registered in February 1962, has two cap head socket screws & two studs holding the carbs on.
Martyn.
Well I have the Norton Manxman 650 parts Manual it dose not tell you about any allen screws on the inlet manifold So what your saying is the Factory's own parts manual is wrong
dynodave said:annajeannette said:Matchless said:My unmodified one previous owner 650ss, first registered in February 1962, has two cap head socket screws & two studs holding the carbs on.
Martyn.
Well I have the Norton Manxman 650 parts Manual it dose not tell you about any Allen screws on the inlet manifold So what your saying is the Factory's own parts manual is wrong
1. Matchless: Norton changed the name of the bike from Manxman TO 650SS. Traditionally this means the end product has CHANGED. However I am noting that your carb holding hardware is like mine.
FWIW (anna) Allen bolt/screw(American) is the same as socket head cap screw.
2. anna: "it does not tell you about any Allen screws on the inlet manifold"
Neither does YOUR IPL...The hardware is "carb mounting" which includes spacer blocks (OK some call these manifolds)
3. So far no one has confirmed or denied other instances of the front two head bolts on my subject engine 94516 instead of the normal NHT 5/16 stud/nuts.
4. Yes I would also like to see a "Manxman" IPL, however we know (I know) from observing Norton's past documentation it is not always correct or complete for a whole production run/series. It may have been correct for one period of production then things change on the production floor and fail to make it into IPL revisions. 50 years later here we are talking about it...the discrepancies
skipsoldbikes said:Thanks for the excellent suggestions.
I have spoken to Anna via email on a number of occasions, she does not currently have a source for the Norton made mufflers used on the Manx, I have found a number of photos & ads showing the system, so it could be made by observing & scaling photos, but an original set as a pattern would be ideal, but there is not much hope of finding that i'm afraid. The exhaust manufactures I have spoken to either want an original to copy, or a blueprint with all the dimensions, neither of which seem to be available at this time.
We'll keep looking though!
Skip Brolund
wilkey113 said:I'll save everyone some trouble in digging thru any BS with Anna, just to get to the exhaust info:
Basically, the pipes were standard, but the right hand side, kicked in to clear the tachometer drive cable. You could look at photos online and see what it looked like. Certainly easier to replicate from an original set. I definitely agree with that.
I'd bet money that Raysons could produce a set quite easily from original patterns, and it's worth dropping him an email You can find him on Facebook and just Google Raysons Exhaust UK.
dynodave said:quoted from above
PER ANNA
Norton Manxman's never had any Allen bolts or Screws fitted too them
anna Jeannette said:dyno dave said:1. Current owner does not have the intellect to change the carb mounting components.
2 Without studs- nuts and long Allen screws the carbs and manifolds will fall off. :?:
with inlet studs a make my own on my lathe rolled threats and make then that bit longer so you can then fit an extra domed nuts to lock up the end thread so they will never come undone this bit of work that makes things at bit better i use domed nuts on the engine plates too they finish the look of the bike off
Sorry Anna The engine I am assembling DOES have 2 studs with nuts and 2 Allen bolts to hold the carbs on.
The two front head fixings on every Norton twin that I have worked on since 1971 has two 5/16CEI studs in the barrels and this Manxman has two BOLTS. The current owner did not change them, and we believe he is the first to dismantle this engine back around 1990.
wilkey113 said:So tell us AJD, are you saying that these are simply unable to be made? I'm quite certain that many skilled exhaust makers, could surely make them. Obviously it'll cost whatever it costs, but certainly it can be done.
And Raysons are some of the best. Maybe they just didn't want to work with you.
wilkey113 said:I'll save everyone some trouble in digging thru any BS with Anna, just to get to the exhaust info:
Basically, the pipes were standard, but the right hand side, kicked in to clear the tachometer drive cable. You could look at photos online and see what it looked like. Certainly easier to replicate from an original set. I definitely agree with that.
I'd bet money that Raysons could produce a set quite easily from original patterns, and it's worth dropping him an email You can find him on Facebook and just Google Raysons Exhaust UK.
dynodave said:No manxman in 1960 see here the FACTORY brochure
dynodave said:]
Sorry Anna The engine I am assembling DOES have 2 studs with nuts and 2 Allen bolts to hold the carbs on.
The two front head fixings on every Norton twin that I have worked on since 1971 has two 5/16CEI studs in the barrels and this Manxman has two BOLTS. The current owner did not change them, and we believe he is the first to dismantle this engine back around 1990.