Norton History Question

acadian said:

The explanation is evidenced in your reply; more specifically the ignorance implicated in your foreclosure of a problem by applying selective nominalism... right here, on this "Norton motorcycles" forum

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Feel free to give us your own point of view.

But put it in plain language please.

acadian said:

The explanation is evidenced in your reply; more specifically the ignorance implicated in your foreclosure of a problem by applying selective nominalism... right here, on this "Norton motorcycles" forum

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Educate me, please.... As I still fail to see the relevance to this forum or the history of Norton Motorcycles. If there are no: 'recognised black figures' in there.... so be it...

People of every different appearance and geographical origin are welcome to ride Nortons.

as long as they own them! lolol sorry. couldn't resist

Triton Thrasher said:

People of every different appearance and geographical origin are welcome to ride Nortons.

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Right. There is nothing controversial about this.

There either is, or their isn't.

Far more interesting IMHO is the well documented history of KNOWN black motorcyclists and clubs.

Phil Lynott of Thin Lizzy considered himself "Irish", because he was raised in Dublin. He was once asked what it was like to be black and Irish. He replied - "Like a Pint of Guinness". It would certainly be cool to see a world where people of all kinds have access to pathways to follow their passions in life.

Unfortunately, none of us are going to race the Gran Prix in Monaco. None of us are going to be astronauts. None of us are going to get hired for million dollar salaries because our dad was the president of some country. That's just the nature of life. We all get the advantage of the starting point our parents have given us, and as we grow up, we reap some of the benefits of their powerful allies as well. People who group ME in the same class of privilege as the "Kennedy's" just because we both happen to be white skinned don't really understand what privilege means.

If some very wealthy black person wanted to field an IOM TT race team, all it would take is a LOT of money, but that person would have to be interested in motorcycle racing probably as his motivation... We are all mostly interested in things that we grow up with, and are exposed to during our youth. I was interested in a lot of different things as a kid, and was flat out told, "NO". Sometimes I was told, "That's only for rich people, and we're not rich". I think we are all subject to that situation, and it shapes our path in spite of our desire to "win the indy 500" or some other thing totally out of our purview.

Why aren't there more black people in the IOM? Probably because they aren't exposed to motorcycle racing enough as youngsters to get bitten by the race bug.

Triton Thrasher said:

Feel free to give us your own point of view.

But put it in plain language please.

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Use a dictionary

EstuaryBoy said:

Educate me, please.... As I still fail to see the relevance to this forum or the history of Norton Motorcycles. If there are no: 'recognised black figures' in there.... so be it...

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Not my job nor have I any interest in "educating" you, the irony of your obstinacy in decrying both the topic and its "relevancy" on this forum notwithstanding

There are several Reddit sub forums that would be more suitable to your desire for a "race free" discussion board

freddie1105 said:

as long as they own them! lolol sorry. couldn't resist

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You are a real POS

grow up

acadian said:

Use a dictionary



Not my job nor have I any interest in "educating" you, the irony of your obstinacy in decrying both the topic and its "relevancy" on this forum notwithstanding

There are several Reddit sub forums that would be more suitable to your desire for a "race free" discussion board

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That's insulting.... and frankly, ignorant too..

acadian said:

You are a real POS

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this is a pub forum. in every pub iv'e ever been in. we've joked and had a wind up. pull ya self righteous head out of your backside

acadian said:

You are a real POS

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so what colour do you think I was referring to. says as much about your preconceptions i'd say!

Fast Eddie said:

Threads get locked because of some people’s inability to have different opinions AND have a discussion / debate in a respectful, civilised manner.

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Let us pause and take a minute to revisit this sentiment.

Ronnie's thread is going to get locked down before he can get a word in.

freddie1105 said:

this is a pub forum. in every pub iv'e ever been in. we've joked and had a wind up. pull ya self righteous head out of your backside

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You want a place to make racist wise cracks like that? Go have a laugh with your buddies on Stormfront you pathetic tosser

NPeteN said:

Let us pause and take a minute to revisit this sentiment.

Ronnie's thread is going to get locked down before he can get a word in.

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acadian said:

You want a place to make racist wise cracks like that? Go have a laugh with your buddies on Stormfront you pathetic tosser

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who said it was racist? you I think. and stop the name calling please. you definitely wouldn't do that to my face. i'm not a racist at all. but i am a realist

freddie1105 said:

who said it was racist? you I think. and stop the name calling please. you definitely wouldn't do that to my face. i'm not a racist at all. but i am a realist

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you wanna get real topical about race. why aren't you mouthing off about Rotherham and Bradford et al?

freddie1105 said:

you wanna get real topical about race. why aren't you mouthing off about Rotherham and Bradford et al?

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a clue.... grooming

I responded to the original post mainly because I didn't understand and maybe (just maybe) misconstrued the motives for the following:

'I am currently trying to reconcile why I'm unable to find any information on recognized black figures in the Norton community and am appealing to this forum in hopes of elevating the awareness of some/any. '

Why: 'Trying to reconcile?' If there is none, there is none. Norton Motorcycles grew in 20th Century UK, where there were very few coloured people until late in the century, so no surprise if they don't feature.
And: 'elevating awareness?' Why? Again, suggestions of virtue signalling, no favours to either there..
Again, I may be wide of the mark, but it seemed disingenuous to try and link this forum and it's subject matter to current events when no link exists, I wasn't asked my ethnicity on joining this forum, and I care not of yours either...

freddie1105 said:

a clue.... grooming

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in the words diana ross sang so beautifully........still waiting.

I'm a skier, and of course skiing as a racist white sport,.... I mean, what other reason could there be for the exclusion of black people in ski racing? We know it isn't because historically black people come from regional areas on the planet where there is no snow and therefore no skiing, so it must be racism...

Must the default reason always be racism? Is that really the explanation why skiing is predominantly white people, and the NBA and NFL have higher ratios of black people. Couldn't it be that most people pursue the paths of opportunity to which they are most exposed, or must there always be some nefarious hateful oppressor to identify who keeps motorcycling and skiing free from the influx of black people?? Really?..

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