Norton 961 Alternate parts list.

That may just be the nature of the diode?
Ive ordered a batch of Bosch sensors to give a go anyhow, so cheers for the heads up.
 
I’ve run the larger Durite relays for years in cars without a single failure (6 used and been there for 11 years, no issues) But not these mini types....so keen to see what reliability is like. No problems so far, but early days on my bike.
 
cliffa said:
Folks,

As the future of parts for our bikes is uncertain I'm collating a list of alternate parts for 961's. This is purely a list, so please don't start commenting, comparing one against the other or generally derailing (as has been know to happen on the odd occasion here) :rolleyes: I've already mentioned this to Jerry and if we can keep it in a common format he will see about putting together a sticky list. So here is what I've got together so far. Feel free to add, but please just the description, manufacturer and their part number plus any helpful notes as you see below. Alternatively just P.M. me and I will add to the list. (It will probably be neater that way actually)

AIR FILTER
BMC FM983/08

OIL FILTER
Mann HU610X
Bosch P9147
WIX WL7227

CLUTCH PARTS
Friction Plates EBC CK2255 (same as Yamaha TDM850 & other Yamaha)
Springs EBC CSK126
Complete Clutch Set EBC SRK51 (Steel Plates , Friction Plates , Springs)
Clutch holding tool EBC CT008SP (same as Yamaha FZR750)

CUSH DRIVE RUBBERS
Talon TCDR-1 (use Silkolene Pro RG2 racing grease)

AIR PRESSURE SENSOR
Yamaha 1WS-82380-00 (Has a green sticker)

SPARK PLUGS
NGK CR9E (standard - threaded tip)
NGK CR9EB (standard - solid tip)
NGK CR9EIX (Iridium)

CAM SENSOR
Bosch 0232103037

HEAD TEMP SENSOR
Bosch 0280130026
Honeywell ES120-0030

TIP OVER SWITCH
Triumph T2502405 (Switch , Fall Detection)

RELAYS
Honda 38502-MCS-G01
Omron G8HN-1C4T-RH
Durite 0-728-13

IGNITION COIL PACK
Bosch 0221503035

BRAKE PADS

FRONT (Goldline radial calipers with 4 pads USD forks)
Goldfren 177
EBC FA322
Brembo 07BB33SA

FRONT (Brembo axial non USD fork)
Goldfren 141
EBC FA244
Brembo 07BB33SA

FRONT (grey radial caliper USD forks)
EBC FA630HH
Goldfren 328

REAR (all models)
EBC FA266
Brembo 07BB20CC

STARTER MOTOR (same as Buell Blast & Harley Sportster)
Nippon Denso TN128000-8453
Harley 31391-91 (same as Buell Blast)

ALTERNATOR
Rotor
Norton 530001
Electrex World RO961
Stator Generator with Crank Sensor
Norton 5300003
Elextrex World G961

FUEL PUMP
Bosch 69613 (0 580 453 407) It requires a 1/2" tubular spacer - the white piece in this image.

FUEL PUMP CONNECTOR (That's the red piece in this image.)
Ford 1072003 or 1330328
Gutsibits FUA30000




FUEL PUMP O-ring
McMaster Carr # 1295N668 (Chemical-Resistant Viton® Fluoroelastomer O-Ring 5 mm Wide, 90 mm ID)

FUEL PUMP SPIGOT
Dorman part no. 800-123 (https://www.dormanproducts.com/p-49076-800-123.aspx)

FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR (Make sure you have the right pressure setting. 3.5 bar)
Ducati 28340031A
Aprilia (tbc)
Cycleworks SKU FPR35KCA (KTM Husaberg https://ca-cycleworks.com/fpr35k.html )

FUEL FILTER
MAHLE KL 145

THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR (TPS)
Harley-Davidson 27629-01
Twin Power 933-1006

FUEL INJECTOR NOZZLE
Intermotor FJ647

IDLE AIR VALVE / IDLE AIR MOTOR
Lowe 57177

INDICATOR
Aprilia 349582 (also fitted to many Triumph)
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This is fantasic Cliffa; I've recently also just dropped my 2018 Cafe, (fell off stand!) not much damage as i tried to hold it from falling hard! pinged off the clutch bar end,
I've been told it's the same Brembo part as the Ducati 1098? any idea? I'm not in a hurry as i like that i can leave pinky on the bar and still clutch.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
Just a heads up. Ive had a customers bike fail on me with a Durite relay, for which I need to now do a 3-4hr round trip to rectify. His symptoms are blowing the 5a (euro 4 bike) the moment he turns on the main beam. I had another eight Durites delivered yesterday and one of those eight are doing the same thing with another euro4 bike Ive got in. Coil resistance on the faulty relay is 0.3ohm, good they're 98/99ohm. So probably worth checking the coils resistance before fitting.
The Durites are a diode relay, and the blue Norton relays are resistor types. I'm not 100% on interchangeability.... I'm waiting for more info.
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Hi - used a relay with diode in in it a while back - pretty sure it was the lighting relay - and the power to the coil was the wrong way for the diode. Had to cut/swap coil wires from loom.
 
Do you mean clutch lever? If so, yeah anything listed for a 1098 will fit. The same style masters are used on loads of bikes, the 1098's are just before they had a slight facelift with the colour and Brembo logo, but the hardware is still the same.
P- Rogers said:
This is fantasic Cliffa; I've recently also just dropped my 2018 Cafe, (fell off stand!) not much damage as i tried to hold it from falling hard! pinged off the clutch bar end,
I've been told it's the same Brembo part as the Ducati 1098? any idea? I'm not in a hurry as i like that i can leave pinky on the bar and still clutch.
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Have my personal Hotline, no need to call the one from MTP ... ;)

Norton 961 Alternate parts list.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
Do you mean clutch lever? If so, yeah anything listed for a 1098 will fit. The same style masters are used on loads of bikes, the 1098's are just before they had a slight facelift with the colour and Brembo logo, but the hardware is still the same.
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Thanks again Stu, as always much appreciated.
 
Being an owner of one of the Anniversary 961's (and first post), these alternative parts lists have been invaluable; especially as the new Norton company has left us in the wilderness to fend for ourselves, so thank you so much! :)

One that I have used from other posts was the alternative throttle position sensor, which was the Magnet Marelli part number PF2C used on Alfa Romeo's (https://www.bikesportdevelopments.co.uk/pf2c---throttle-position-sensor-alfa-selespeed-gearbox)

The OMRON (Honda 38502-MCS-G01) relays used on Honda Pan European was a good call, fun explaining to the dealer why I wanted them though!

Also I'm slight confused, as I saw posts from the ex-Norton employee Nikoli around the clutch plates and the EBC platesnot being suitable? have owners fitted these?

www.accessnorton.com

961 Clutch - I may be able to help.

Hello to all at Access Norton. This is my first post on your site, and although I have never owned a Norton, I may be of help regarding some components and general information. I don't want to give away to much about my self,because at the moment the whole Norton situation is a little prickly...
www.accessnorton.com www.accessnorton.com

Thanks again, Alex
 
I never really understood that guy. I'm an ex-Norton 961 engine build employee. I can whole heartily assure you that the plates were not made specifically for Norton....they were Yamaha items. They came in a big box and were individually packaged in Yamaha packets, that we had to fanny about unpacking and grouping up into sets.
Pictured is myself, holding a Yamaha plate whilst stood in engine build at Donington.
EBC make some excellent aftermarket replacements.
 

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Alex Loader said:
Being an owner of one of the Anniversary 961's (and first post), these alternative parts lists have been invaluable; especially as the new Norton company has left us in the wilderness to fend for ourselves, so thank you so much! :)

One that I have used from other posts was the alternative throttle position sensor, which was the Magnet Marelli part number PF2C used on Alfa Romeo's (https://www.bikesportdevelopments.co.uk/pf2c---throttle-position-sensor-alfa-selespeed-gearbox)

The OMRON (Honda 38502-MCS-G01) relays used on Honda Pan European was a good call, fun explaining to the dealer why I wanted them though!

Also I'm slight confused, as I saw posts from the ex-Norton employee Nikoli around the clutch plates and the EBC platesnot being suitable? have owners fitted these?

www.accessnorton.com

961 Clutch - I may be able to help.

Hello to all at Access Norton. This is my first post on your site, and although I have never owned a Norton, I may be of help regarding some components and general information. I don't want to give away to much about my self,because at the moment the whole Norton situation is a little prickly...
www.accessnorton.com www.accessnorton.com

Thanks again, Alex
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Hi Alex and welcome. I'm really pleased that you've found the list useful and thanks for the info on the TP sensor. I'll add it to the top of the thread and ask Jerry to add it to to list.

I'm not sure what connection Nikoli had to Norton, but I suspect it was as a supplier not an employee. I didn't see his comment about the clutch plates, but as Stu (ex Norton engine builder) mentioned he unpacked and fitted enough of them to know. There is a thread on here somewhere where EBC actually identified the correct plates and supplied them to one of our merry band and they are the same as Yamaha items.

Cheers,

cliffa.
 
Alex Loader said:
Being an owner of one of the Anniversary 961's (and first post), these alternative parts lists have been invaluable; especially as the new Norton company has left us in the wilderness to fend for ourselves, so thank you so much! :)

One that I have used from other posts was the alternative throttle position sensor, which was the Magnet Marelli part number PF2C used on Alfa Romeo's (https://www.bikesportdevelopments.co.uk/pf2c---throttle-position-sensor-alfa-selespeed-gearbox)

The OMRON (Honda 38502-MCS-G01) relays used on Honda Pan European was a good call, fun explaining to the dealer why I wanted them though!

Also I'm slight confused, as I saw posts from the ex-Norton employee Nikoli around the clutch plates and the EBC platesnot being suitable? have owners fitted these?

www.accessnorton.com

961 Clutch - I may be able to help.

Hello to all at Access Norton. This is my first post on your site, and although I have never owned a Norton, I may be of help regarding some components and general information. I don't want to give away to much about my self,because at the moment the whole Norton situation is a little prickly...
www.accessnorton.com www.accessnorton.com

Thanks again, Alex
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This is the same one that's used on moto guzzi and various Harleys as a substitute as well
 
Stu Bodycote said:
I never really understood that guy. I'm an ex-Norton 961 engine build employee. I can whole heartily assure you that the plates were not made specifically for Norton....they were Yamaha items. They came in a big box and were individually packaged in Yamaha packets, that we had to fanny about unpacking and grouping up into sets.
Pictured is myself, holding a Yamaha plate whilst stood in engine build at Donington.
EBC make some excellent aftermarket replacements.
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I never said that the clutch plates were made specifically for Norton. I said it was the ‘clutch’ assembly. I also said the clutch plates were high quality Japanese items, and that the EBC items were not used by Norton as they chose not to use them. I also said the original plates were sourced from a UK supplier. Yes, you are correct they were Yamaha, but I believe the intent was to set up supply from Vesrah, which is what indeed happened later on. The Yamaha items were supplied as individual items at high prices, were by the high quality Vesrah items could be supplied in bulk at good value. I seem to remember that there was concern over the quality of using EBC items.
 
They were using Yamaha plates right up until the end, as I took that photo July 2020, whilst on a part number gathering quest for future reference, before quitting (they'd just announced moving to Solihull).
You could have just written Yamaha instead of high quality Japanese items.
There was rarely concern over using EBC products....quite a few 961's were supplied with ebc front brake discs, for example, when they were on stop with Brembo.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
They were using Yamaha plates right up until the end, as I took that photo July 2020, whilst on a part number gathering quest for future reference, before quitting (they'd just announced moving to Solihull).
You could have just written Yamaha instead of high quality Japanese items.
There was rarely concern over using EBC products....quite a few 961's were supplied with ebc front brake discs, for example, when they were on stop with Brembo.
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What happened to using Vesrah, did they fall out with them as I know they did use them in the early days? The Yamaha supply wasn't a sustainable solution just in interim until the got organised. Probably didn't pay the bills and had to go back to using the credit card with Fowlers.
As a side note. Vesrah are the OEM for Yamaha and others. They would be a good source of plates of they are still trading ?
 
Nikoli said:
I never said that the clutch plates were made specifically for Norton. I said it was the ‘clutch’ assembly. I also said the clutch plates were high quality Japanese items, and that the EBC items were not used by Norton as they chose not to use them. I also said the original plates were sourced from a UK supplier. Yes, you are correct they were Yamaha, but I believe the intent was to set up supply from Vesrah, which is what indeed happened later on. The Yamaha items were supplied as individual items at high prices, were by the high quality Vesrah items could be supplied in bulk at good value. I seem to remember that there was concern over the quality of using EBC items.
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Nikoli, thanks for clarifying that. Seeing your information and feedback in the forum and now Stu's felt like there was real valuable incite coming through, that could help keep the bikes on the road in a sustainable and non trial and error way. Especially while new Norton were on Radio silence about supporting the exisiting 961's. Very much appreciated, and thank you again .
 
Nikoli said:
What happened to using Vesrah, did they fall out with them as I know they did use them in the early days? The Yamaha supply wasn't a sustainable solution just in interim until the got organised. Probably didn't pay the bills and had to go back to using the credit card with Fowlers.
As a side note. Vesrah are the OEM for Yamaha and others. They would be a good source of plates of they are still trading ?
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Dunno, never known them to use anything but Yamaha. I was using Yamaha plates there in 2016, and they were still using them when it went belly up. The BOM just states Yamaha as the supplier. Cant find a buy in price for the frictions, I'll have another look later. But they were buying in Yamaha steels at £4.48 each, circa 2018.
 

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