Ms Peel boring tough crank crying

Seems strange that anyone would go to the trouble of making a special crank, before carefully looking at carburetion, ignition, and exhaust systems.................but I guess the light crank will result in a 160mph top speed, and handling which will leave R1's and 916's floundering in the turns, so obviously well worth the trouble.

I would have thought a reasonably heavy crank would have been benificial to an under powered pile of crap with a wide ratio gearbag, it would be alot less likely to drop it's lolliepop between changes,and you ain't bgoing to launch from idle are you.

Good grief Mr Fiber, you'll get blackballed, or at least a written warning for suggesting that some forum members have more money than brains :wink: :wink:[/quote]


Yes a heavier crank will help anything with wide ratio gearbox, and will also serve to damp down the high level resonance and vibration that is an inherent problem on any 2 bearing twin cylinder motor. These considerations dont matter on race motors with CR boxes, and which are stripped on a regular basis, but are things that certainly need to be looked at in relation to highly modified road machines.

Seems strange that anyone would go to the trouble of making a special crank, before carefully looking at carburetion, ignition, and exhaust systems.................but I guess the light crank will result in a 160mph top speed, and handling which will leave R1's and 916's floundering in the turns, so obviously well worth the trouble.

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Oh come on these are such simple machines, what's so complex to just slap a few odds and ends together from interweb instructions and ebay parts to take on them sloppy over powered appliances : )

Carb, who needs a carb, Peel will just have open pipe facing up with a tapered nail to meter fuel into a 40 mm hole. Have to remember to turn valve off or floods the floor quickly. No brainer really. Napkin doodles imply only .7 mach number in Combat port venturi at max boost and rpm. Hope to hit 17:1 CR and not have to back off max torque spark timing.

Another mean thing I do as hobby now to rev up a squad of hot sports bikes,
"Hey ya know them Thumb Commencers lower one's IQ..."

Adding a lawn mower pull handle on impeller housing to fool folks, but it'll work an on/off belt tensioner, not for starting assist.

Maybe you should enter your Norton for Daytona? From what you are telling everyone here you should be in with a chance of taking the win..................lol

Carbonfiber, would like to know your real name, I can not get upset with your attitude, in fact kinda enjoy it as its exactly what I'm building Peel up to change attitudes towards seeming obsolete motorcycle. Alas to whip up on moderns requires breaking some rules, both in race classes and how to do a boosted air cooled push rod with rpm limits on 91 octane. i've had to run up bluff walls to escape tractor with hay spikes taking up all room in two rut driveway so know the slammed down bottomed suspension to hit banks at speed. Then get to practice some off a berm leaving my yard to hit driveway. I think I"m up to it, don't know yet, so can't deny you may be right on my BS, but will have a blast trying to prove ya wrong.

I'm not sure if new Peel can take on elite 200 hp sports bikes on tracks 200+ mph is reached - just by her corner and acceleration advantage I expect. Not sure if I'll be allowed for track days as I surrendered driver license a couple decades ago to limit the hit on insurance and other reasons, like dropping off radar from Gov't.

Peel's new crank is only 2-3 lb less than factory, so main BF mystery to me is how it effects traction vs power pulses vs isolastic thrust dampening harmonics.
Being isolastic means a wide range of BF should all go silent at normal rpms, but how does it affect or not tire grip limits when leaned to max?? To do Gravel turns fast requires me to be spun up before leans not on brakes, I need more power to do that on tarmac over the ton is all.

Here in the UK there are numerous classes where you can race older bikes, and there is always the run what you brung class in drag racing. If even a tenth of your posts on here are accurate, it would seem that you have both the machine, and the riding talent to be able to succeed in serious competition, and would certainly be able to attract some support. On the other hand if your posts are not accurate, then maybe you should be looking at a career in politics, as they seem very convincing to someone not that familiar with motorcycling.

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Here in the UK there are numerous classes where you can race older bikes, and there is always the run what you brung class in drag racing. If even a tenth of your posts on here are accurate, it would seem that you have both the machine, and the riding talent to be able to succeed in serious competition, and would certainly be able to attract some support. On the other hand if your posts are not accurate, then maybe you should be looking at a career in politics, as they seem very convincing to someone not that familiar with motorcycling.

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I agree.

I read your posts and am transported back in time to the Hunter Thompson era; I hear the wail of the "Sausage Creature". I read "Peel" and see Sancho Panza...I'm sure that every sport biker in Dixieland gives your patch a wide berth; and I too have done battle with The Gravel, but I didn't miss when I threw myself at the ground, good lesson that one.

If you find yourself in the Boston area do look me up, I have a (at least one) bottle of 12 year old bourbon that will be happy to give its life to a good time as we navigate the chronosynclastic infundibulum. I have a brace of Commandos, not a match for Peel or Trixie, but entertaining; I can always use a good riding lesson. Please, never change!

RS

Thanks RS, 1st got to finish up Peel before losing components in the clutter.
Can't find optical 4 curve ignition today and sure ain't moved far from rocking chair. I don't expect Peel to qualify for any recognized race class but the run what ya brung bee line events and track days timing though would love to do those long distance rough route endurance runs. Again how many are pondering BF on the tire traction reaction for hill climbs to max power max leans and the effects while air borne side ways? Think I"m clever enough to make this up, surely Carbonfiber has that part right about me, not nothing to brag on myself, just Ms Peel any novice could whip up on lesser craft in glee.

Bonneville is the place for any Norton twin with a top speed faster than current Jap fours............and is something that should attract some serious sponsorship money!

Aw come on Carbon, slapping me around it fair play but not my Ms Peel : )
My main beef with past Ms Peel was she couldn't bee line out run Tigers triples, RS1200 BMW's Duccati Monsters or the Asian breeds above 600's cc'. Hell 80 cid Harley could out gun Peel above the ton. But what I do claim is no one would run as fast as Peel in the opens unless I slowed up for known blind hazards nor would they rush into or out of dangerous corners like Ms Peel could, way less than Peel because right where I was testing Peels best acceleration gear before a turn, to a pilot [some gals] they'd all be hard on their brakes before turns - LOL as that shock sunk in after a few hot heats among the sports bike variety. Alas as you have stated ain't no Norton twin can stand 12,000 rpm long, and it took the spunk out of past Peel so new one in the works to try to catch up with the triple tamed capacity. If ya ever heard tales of lesser top speed motorcycling beating the pack well I know how it feels - wild wonderful good so want more of it and safer places to explore full potential. Do you know what happens if one craft is being passed and this craft hits their brakes on while the 2nd is planting best power band. Zipping among parking lot cones is how it feels.

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Bonneville is the place for any Norton twin with a top speed faster than current Jap fours............and is something that should attract some serious sponsorship money!

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Sponsorship money! What a concept. At the BUB Bonneville meet in 2009 our pit area was right accross the road from the Norton factory team with their rotary bike. The CEO, Stu Garner, came accross and talked with us for a bit, and we tried to convice him that he should sponsor us with a couple of his new Commandos. If he'd supply the bikes, and access to parts, we'd build them up and try to set some new pushrod class records. Somehow, he didn't think that was as great an idea as we did. Can't understand that. Actually, he seemed like a really enthusiastic Norton guy, and we enjoyed talking to him. I really liked the rotary race bike, but they didn't plan to sell them in the US at the time, and they are way out of my price range anyhow. We didn't make it to the salt in 2010, but I noticed that Norton did bring over a Commando (or maybe two) of the new sort and set some pushrod class records themselves, even if they weren't all that fast. Sorry I missed being there.

Ken

I think Steve's (hobot's) crankshaft is finished. I've welded in threaded inserts to take balancing plugs. Without the plugs, the BF with the 81 mm pistons and long rods from Jim Schmidt will be 61%. With the longest plugs that will fit, shown below, the BF will be 80%. With lighter plugs it can be set anywhere in between those limits. I can't imaging wanting it any higher than 80%, but we could do so with heavy metal slugs in the plugs.





Ken

The workmanship on Steve's crank looks outstanding, not many people are able to TIG weld to those high standards, or to turn tungsten balance inserts so nicely.

Sure interesting. Sure nice handy exchangeable weights.
Somewhere earlier in this thread, hobot (Steve) mentioned just popping the barrels to change the weights in the crank for altering BF.
I was thinking maybe you could machine (or weld a boss) a sort of access port on the crankcase for doing this?
I got to this thinking of the port of a BSA A65 for fixating the crank for setting ignition.

Did I understand well, hobot, that you have no MC license and therefore, I guess, no insurance??
Philippe

whew - I was hopping Peel's crank wouldn't be called a Frankenstein monster.

I suppose a bottom port - maybe existing slump plug could access plugs, I hadn't though to that, but don't know if or how possible. Otherwise Ms Peel is intended and designed to be a delight to become intimate with - that is to open up down to crank w/o stress or strain, all fasteners Timserted so not using Al threads up on nip ups. She'll have to be opened up a number of times working up on power and rpm levels. Hey wouldn't you enjoy seeing and handling her kind of stuff too?

I officially surrendered-returned the STATE's Driver lic. in '93 as not a driver as legally defined and to nullify the BS of raising Insurance rates for tickets and also dropped off more data bases than you even know about plus removed evidence I was a US citizen/PERSON taking a privilege as a resident within the United States so I can bank like other foreigners to the US w/o a SSN as a man on the land in a dejure county in a union State of the United States of America.
Last time I was stopped for tail lights out was returning from Barber's and just told trooper about not qualifying for a Dr. Lic. and loaded single action automatic on seat. He held gun while I changed fuses then let to travel on like a red blooded white guy over 21 no drunk or in stolen car nor wanted somewhere, anymore... Oh yes I come under Patriot Act II scrutiny and pass that yearly since 01 in case ya still think I full of it.

I see how short or long life can be, so getting away with as much as I can and not get caught and still go to "Heaven". Ccatch me if ya can.

A pilot co-worker of mine years ago was a citizen of the comonwelth of virginia. No taxes and no ss #. He was a good guy, just a little out there. But he knew and used this countrys laws, as they were written. There are a lot of loopholes out there.

if that was me with no license I would've been in jail faster than you can say bail haha

Thank you for the "free individual" survivalist speech hobot. I still do not understand how you can insure your bikes without proof of insurance ... In our "hippie/gay/communist" state of California (that I love so much and do not want EVER to change) this, thanks god, would not be possible.... What will happen the day you hit a human being and not a deer??? You must refuse having a medical insurance too?! Will you let the, nasty, state/government take care of your injuries the day you'll crash trying to mix un-credible power and the spiral of magnetism earth attraction in a cosmic 3.25-19 way???
Philippe

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