Kinda funny

I am so over this debate about climate change, the earth has always gone through many climate changes in the billions of years or for as long as its been here, as for my own country of this great land down under, we are the driest continent in the world, the aboriginals one of the oldest people on the planet, but they learned to live with the land, they were nomads and never stayed in one place, they moved on when thing changed and when they did they burn off where they been so the bush regenerate it help the native animals and plants.
Settlers have only been here for just over 200 years and upset the natural environment from what's been happening for over 40000 + years, we have long term droughts, bush fires, we have average rain falls and every so often we have big rain falls that floods everything, the aboriginals learn to live with all these seasonal changes.
White man comes along and build big cities, dam the natural river systems to control water for framing and people living in crowed coastal areas where 80% of Aussies live then come times of drought our river systems suffer, people build houses on the river banks because they like to be close to the water an then when we have the big drought breaking wet season and everyone suffers from flooding, blame climate change.
Inland Aust relies on ground water, without floods the ground water dries up we need floods to replenish that water supply.
We have our good times but we also have our bad times, it's been happening for millions of years and climates have change in that time as well, but in stead of fixing things the way it was and too many so call climate change experts drumming their beliefs in the young ones heads that we are all doomed, over population, tearing the trees down so we can feed the population, then the natural land suffers, but we got to learn how to manage the land better and learn off the people who looked after the land for all those 40000 + years and live with the changes, not make it worst, man kind is our worst enemy here, we want to live the good life and all but we need to get back to looking after the land, let the rivers flow as it use to be instead of tearing it up to build more houses, dams or farm lands, we got to live with the earth not destroy it and mother nature rules not man kind.
There is climate change but as I say it's been happening long before man came along.
As for the doomed they been around as long as man been here.
Yep I understand that you are over this debate on climate change
But I'll give you an example of what's happening here
Anyone with an older vehicle driving in outer London will have to pay £12.50 per day after August this year
It's to clean up outer London's air so they say
So it's an extra £75 to get to work per week
There is no public transport alternative for most people
If this comes to your town will you be able to pay it
That's around $23 Australian dollars every day you drive
 
I am retired and very rarely go to the city and when I was working I was only 5 minutes away from work going the opposite to peck hr driving, London probably has more population than the whole of Australia our country only has 24 million and my state of Queensland only has about 3 million all up you can fit Enland about 4 or 5 time in our state alone and you could fit Enland 25 times in the whole of Australia.
Looks like your Govt. are just collecting more tax off you suckers and how much of that goes back to the environment, only a small % if any I bet, same as road fines/speed cameras, they say for road safety B S and only a small amount goes back into fixing up the roads.
 
I am retired and very rarely go to the city and when I was working I was only 5 minutes away from work going the opposite to peck hr driving, London probably has more population than the whole of Australia our country only has 24 million and my state of Queensland only has about 3 million all up you can fit Enland about 4 or 5 time in our state alone and you could fit Enland 25 times in the whole of Australia.
Looks like your Govt. are just collecting more tax off you suckers and how much of that goes back to the environment, only a small % if any I bet, same as road fines/speed cameras, they say for road safety B S and only a small amount goes back into fixing up the roads.
Yep it's just another tax
We already pay the road fund license on top of that the ulez on top of that congestion charging if you drive into central London
If I were still working in central London mobile welding
I would have to pay £12.50 ulez £15 congestion charge and god knows how much to pay to park between £60 and £80 a day at a guess
And that's before I get my tools out the van
 
Not a follower of young Greta and most of what I'v read about her has been on forums like this. Not interested in what she said and certainly not interested in what someone said she said. In these climate, energy, and social discussions it appears there is much more negative misinformation than facts. I doubt any opinions will or have been changed in these threads, it's just entertainment....
 
I am retired and very rarely go to the city and when I was working I was only 5 minutes away from work going the opposite to peck hr driving, London probably has more population than the whole of Australia our country only has 24 million and my state of Queensland only has about 3 million all up you can fit Enland about 4 or 5 time in our state alone and you could fit Enland 25 times in the whole of Australia.
Looks like your Govt. are just collecting more tax off you suckers and how much of that goes back to the environment, only a small % if any I bet, same as road fines/speed cameras, they say for road safety B S and only a small amount goes back into fixing up the roads.
The point being
If this comes to your town
Like it has to ours will you be able to afford it?
 
Not a follower of young Greta and most of what I'v read about her has been on forums like this. Not interested in what she said and certainly not interested in what someone said she said. In these climate, energy, and social discussions it appears there is much more negative misinformation than facts. I doubt any opinions will or have been changed in these threads, it's just entertainment....
"Misinformation" and "facts"..your words
Please provide your information and facts along with a logical answer....
 
Baz they already get enough out of us but of course they are still looking into things to milk ever more out of us but it's got to stop as everyone is struggling now with intrest hikes, cost of living where does it end, more people are homeless now more than ever and we are suppose to be the lucky country, the Govt of the days started to privatise all assets saying it will be cheaper in the long run, well that never worked out and selling our natural resources to over sea companies and now it's come back to bite us all on our arses with higher prices and now it's too late to change things back to the way it was.
We have all the world resources the world wants but why are we paying world prices for our own products/resources for our own needs, something is not right from bad management and selling things off.
 
I might not be the most educated person around but I do know when I am being hoodwinked/fooled by people a lot smarter than myself, greed has played a big part of all our problems everyone wants that big slice of cake but they don't want to put anything back into that cake, the rich keeps getting richer and us poor normal people are the ones suffering and they want more out of us.
 
Not a follower of young Greta and most of what I'v read about her has been on forums like this. Not interested in what she said and certainly not interested in what someone said she said. In these climate, energy, and social discussions it appears there is much more negative misinformation than facts. I doubt any opinions will or have been changed in these threads, it's just entertainment....
Yes I agree it is just entertainment, nobody's opinion will change
Unless it impacts on them
 

The Global Warming Hoax of 1874​

 
Its actually even worse she sighted a Harvard Professor of Science's claim
You know "trust the science"
Your fact check article is nothing but dribble ...Hmm where have I seen that before. ?
THE FACTS ARE...THE CLIMATE CULT ACTIVIST (GRETA) DELETED THE POST

AP article snippet 🤣
"Representatives for Thunberg based in Germany did not provide comment."

You & rweb can dribble on all you like about prescribed "facts" and "logic" all you like ... ive never disputed it was her words...IT WAS A HARVARD PROFESSORS WORDS 🤣 & SHE DELETED IT...CAPEESH !!
Now run along & put your fossil burning motorcycle up for sale and while you’re at it....get ya self another booster ...if you believe the science...practice what you preach....
Don’t be that angry guy in the corner of the pub with intractable views - shouting (in text), passive aggressive, quick to ridicule. The ‘your only welcome if you share my view’ approach doesn’t work on a forum the very purpose of which is to encourage debate and the sharing of information. Similarly, If you wander around different threads sprinkling ‘conspiracy dust’ everywhere you are occasionally going to be challenged by somebody holding a dustpan. How you react speaks volumes.

What Thumberg is guilty of, if anything, is failing in her critical thinking - not usually a skill found in one so young. She tweeted Alden’s misrepresentation of Andersons climate prediction, without checking its accuracy. Read the Alden article and what Anderson actually said. Mis-information by Alden, at the very least

No idea why the tweet was deleted (and neither does any other forum member) but I’m pretty sure that not everything said and done in this space has nefarious intent attached to it. In the same way that not everyone with a more mainstream view is a mindless drone, incapable of the independent thinking shown by the enlightened few.

I am glad to be fully vaccinated and will be taking the next booster when it becomes available.
 
Meanwhile, it turns out Greta Thunberg did not predict the end of the world in 2023. She quoted an article that turned out to have misquoted a scientist, so she later deleted it.

AP's latest analysis of the issue:

AP

CLAIM: Greta Thunberg recently deleted a tweet she posted in 2018 in which she said that the world will end in 2023.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. While Thunberg did delete a 2018 tweet about the urgency of addressing climate change, she did not say the world would end in 2023. Her tweet included a quote from an article that said an influential scientist warned climate change “will wipe out all humanity” unless fossil fuel use was ended “over the next five years.” Further complicating the issue, that article incorrectly summarized the scientist’s speech. He never made such comments.

THE FACTS: Social media users and conservative commentators are taking the climate activist’s 2018 tweet out of context to push the claim that Thunberg is backtracking on a previous stance.

The story is long and complex so the rest of it is here https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-greta-thunberg-deleted-tweet-675395214080

(Cue the trotting out of tired old unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about mainstream media and carry on regardless.)
 
I am glad to be fully vaccinated and will be taking the next booster when it becomes available.
1: Regardless of your conviction and support of Greta...I really don't care what your summary or opinion is of her as her strings are manipulated by her cult leaders
2: You may need to watch these 3 videos...and have a good think about your trust in the science & the powers that b that have given you such gladness and confidence...my sincere warning to you.
Your feedback is appreciated
Australian TGA Documents


 
Meanwhile, it turns out Greta Thunberg did not predict the end of the world in 2023. She quoted an article that turned out to have misquoted a scientist, so she later deleted it.

AP's latest analysis of the issue:

AP

CLAIM: Greta Thunberg recently deleted a tweet she posted in 2018 in which she said that the world will end in 2023.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. While Thunberg did delete a 2018 tweet about the urgency of addressing climate change, she did not say the world would end in 2023. Her tweet included a quote from an article that said an influential scientist warned climate change “will wipe out all humanity” unless fossil fuel use was ended “over the next five years.” Further complicating the issue, that article incorrectly summarized the scientist’s speech. He never made such comments.


THE FACTS: Social media users and conservative commentators are taking the climate activist’s 2018 tweet out of context to push the claim that Thunberg is backtracking on a previous stance.

The story is long and complex so the rest of it is here https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-greta-thunberg-deleted-tweet-675395214080

(Cue the trotting out of tired old unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about mainstream media and carry on regardless.)
Yes she was quoting a scientist saying basically we had to do something within the next 5 years or we wouldn't be able to do anything
So why did she delete it?
Kinda funny? As said
 
Yes she was quoting a scientist saying basically we had to do something within the next 5 years or we wouldn't be able to do anything
So why did she delete it?
Kinda funny? As said
Read what I posted.

Greta did not quote a scientist.
She quoted a media article about what the scientist allegedly said.
The media article was later found to have misquoted the scientist.
So Greta deleted her post because the article it referred to was now known to be wrong.
 
Read what I posted.

Greta did not quote a scientist.
She quoted a media article about what the scientist allegedly said.
The media article was later found to have misquoted the scientist.
So Greta deleted her post because the article it referred to was now known to be wrong.
That makes it even funnier 😅😅😅😅
So she posted 3rd hand info with no basis in truth
And 5 years later deleted it
😂😂😂😂
 
Yep it's just another tax
We already pay the road fund license on top of that the ulez on top of that congestion charging if you drive into central London
If I were still working in central London mobile welding
I would have to pay £12.50 ulez £15 congestion charge and god knows how much to pay to park between £60 and £80 a day at a guess
And that's before I get my tools out the van

So how will tradesmen deal with this?

1. add the cost of the ULEZ charge (and parking) to their invoice?

2. buy an up-to-date van? (and increase their daily rate accordingly)

3. not take on jobs in London?



A plasterer I (vaguely) know wont do London jobs as it is; too much congestion; too difficult parking (and expensive); too high a risk of getting his van broken into. Maybe he is fortunate in having enough work around his local area.

At the risk of going into P-word territory, a Mayoral candidate at the next election whose policy is to undo the ULEZ ought to win easily.....
 
So how will tradesmen deal with this?

1. add the cost of the ULEZ charge (and parking) to their invoice?

2. buy an up-to-date van? (and increase their daily rate accordingly)

3. not take on jobs in London?



A plasterer I (vaguely) know wont do London jobs as it is; too much congestion; too difficult parking (and expensive); too high a risk of getting his van broken into. Maybe he is fortunate in having enough work around his local area.

At the risk of going into P-word territory, a Mayoral candidate at the next election whose policy is to undo the ULEZ ought to win easily.....
Well basically all 3 of the above
If you had the money for a new van they are almost impossible to get at the moment
The worse affected will be nursing staff and many low wage care workers that ( tend to have older vehicles)work shifts because once you go past midnight it's another £12.50
And £25 per day out of your income is just too much
And many have said they'd quit
Old people are worrying about their kids not being able to visit
You have shops just inside the zone that'll lose custom etc etc
The list is endless
As is the hypocrisy of the mayor that's driven around in a 5 lt armoured range rover
 
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