HOOKED on Commaando

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Congrates on half a century+ of flash backs. To fly those fat tire moderns to limits takes some good sustained aesthetics so maybe that's why we don't see that many older farts racing them or maybe because they know better. Pilots and bikes come apart on the Ozark Mt crashes and my own bad images make me shake head I may loose if I keep it up. So far Barbers looks the toughest most dangerous track I've seen. Its curves are like the ones here with tree's and walls and some weird approaches that tempt several riders at once to leave the track to funnel into the same grassy rut. Grassy or paved run offs is what ya want to have at the edges Not Ever Loving Gravel Traps. Traffic can also force ya to take a line that leads off the edge to avoid crashing. I'm trying to pick up Peel project pace with track days as a carrot instead of public blind risks. Never tried Peel on full street tires only the big deep grooved dual purpose tractor like tires, should hook up even better on proper pavement rubber.
 
Hey Hobot, did you read Peter Egan's story where he says "roadracing makes heroin addicition seem like a vague wish for something salty"? I can't wait to read your post after the track.

Hallett is a riders track. Lots of small hills, decreasing radius turns, camber changes everywhere. Top speeds not important so just about perfect for a Commando. The surface is torn up from cars on the good line so you have cross it mostly from the outside to inside to get a good exit, not run off the track an crash. Traction is excelent when warm but be careful if its cool out. In the corners where the asphault is worn away its treacherous when damp. Have to stand it up slightly on low traction spots to not slide out.

I'm old and slow now but would like to join you for a track day on whatever I have running. Haven't rode there in 10 years but go to all the CMRA races.

Luke
 
Hallett is a riders track. Lots of small hills, decreasing radius turns, camber changes everywhere. Top speeds not important so just about perfect for a Commando. The surface is torn up from cars on the good line so you have cross it mostly from the outside to inside to get a good exit, not run off the track an crash. Traction is excelent when warm but be careful if its cool out. In the corners where the asphault is worn away its treacherous when damp. Have to stand it up slightly on low traction spots to not slide out.

I'm old and slow now but would like to join you for a track day on whatever I have running. Haven't rode there in 10 years but go to all the CMRA races.

Luke

Very Cool Luke, this is news I can use. Its hard to tell from bike video how tight or sloped the turns are but did make note of the crumbles in the brake zones, apex and launch away paths. Peel's main advantages only shows up in the INtense G's zones/spikes, so the worse the conditions the better she is compared. Its also good training for me in the real world. Alas on Trixie Combat about everywhere here allows testing its limited capacity to avoid at all costs. Same with my SV650 too, though rather hotter faster than any Cdo thats not a full race Seeley Commando.

Only track I was on in Texas was less refined than Hallett, narrow and roughed up in turns, which is where I learned how easy to crash a good modern so learned to fly em up sideways so all their kicking and squirming settled for the impact out of there. IOM type antics & speeds crossed up tipped in air like stunting MX'rs. Of sure this allowed like a full shift faster around than the instructor putting apex marks down but there is no harsh acceleration waiting for tires to touch so Peel hooked up states were like yet another gear faster around.
 
Norton named their N. American version of P11 scrambler desert racer Cheetah for a reason I found UnApporachable in a dragster version, but dedicated dragsters too low to lean much. I like speed as much as any whose injected a vein full but its not as exciting a high as cornering forces to me. For a few seasons I begged or teased-taunted anyone with a good competitive sense to find Peel's predator prey reality. All's I can say is did not take long to see the moderns as flashy plastic lures to snap up before they could hit after burners. For some reason on hard dual purpose cleated tires Peels half solid and half flexy linkages allowed putting down and hooking up more power in leans than the moderns could. At first thought was just those pilot fears but now and then would be neck and neck on entries and see em lift up as Peel leaped past and the intense reactions later said nope they were the very unwilling prey and they were easy to pick off in leans past 45', of which abound here. The cleated tires allowed grip enough in slight down hill deer chases to out zigzag them at 35-45 mph. Allowed longer chases as could cut off from escape sideways over fences or into brush. Animal experts report top speeds as under 40 mph in bucks but Peel could freak out a few more mph in spurts. I"ve been on barrel racer horses and didn't black out, I've been in acrobat soar craft dives and rolls and WWII trainer stunt powering into spins, Texas and Disney roller coaters and tunnel hull boats w/o needing breath control to focus, but did on Peel or vision dimmed and narrowed to much. HOOKED on better rush than shooting coke!!!


Short bursts of speed can be quantified in power per kilogramme of the animal's weight. Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt exerted 25 W/kg during his record-breaking run in 2009. A horse used in a polo match exerts slightly more power per kg, around 30 W/kg, and a greyhound's is double that at 60 W/kg. But a cheetah can reach 120 W/kg.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22861142
The researchers also found that cheetahs also have a very strong grip, so much so that they rip up the ground as they run. They found it was the use of the animals' claws that enabled them to turn very sharply and to accelerate and decelerate very quickly.

They found that the cheetahs did indeed run very fast at times - close to 60mph - but only occasionally. On most hunts they attained about 30 to 35 mph but they were accelerating and changing direction much more rapidly than has been seen in any other land animal.

The tunnel hulls can out G turn any land craft but the bouncing wakes keeps blood boiling in head so don't dim out as much and beat daylights out of head and air out of chests. Smoother is better in that regard.
 
Here's some Un-Hooked states that drive me bonkers. Exactly like a spirited Gravel lane crossing except less loosey goosey than THE Nitty Gritty. I hate it when the rear lets go as the thrust does too but its a nice hook kick in the ass when it catches again. Still in what i call phase 2 coutnersteering so not the Hook Kick G's I'm into on Peel. Go 15 mph and just try to straight steer to sense the immense forces suddenly conflicted, but that's what allows Peel to cross THE Gravel w/o falling, as its crashing a bit more hi side than low side and makes doing it on pavement rather easier to get away with.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GHDnhb6zok[/video]
 
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looking up narrow vs fat tires scope stumbled on this Graveling commentary. Wes my Brit Iron fellow addict rode his '69 Bonnie over today to try the feel of 2 new off road textured tires complaining he pinched the ear tube 3x's d/t the 2 rim locks and how fast our tires get abraided away w/o intending to. The thing about THE G@#%$*# is w/o intending the rear can slip then it regrips-Hooks for a jerk back up > hopefully inline to carry on vs SPLAT. Below IS NOT the fast way on Gravel for me as hitting up side of an outside berm slides it right over the edge, no Sir Ree Bob, I hang the inside of middle berm so bike is contstantly tripping down crashing in the right direction... as long as you can keep accelerating faster than the crashing down.


All this nuttiness actually works pretty well on race tracks because within just a few laps of the first practice session the spinning rear tires dig ruts through the corners and pile up slung soil on the outside of the ruts, creating what are called "berms." Berms are then used to steer the bike--approach at speed, intentionally lowside the bike at the prerfect location that it slides sideways into the berm, which compresses the suspension and forces the bike to a new direction. Skilled riders will often use the heavily loaded rear suspension to accelerate sufficiently to "pop a wheelie", which, with bike layed down practically flat, results in the bike aimed at the inside of the corner, a handy manuever when attempting to pass on the inside. There are dozens of such "tricks" that take advantage of the traction characterisitcs of tires with specific traction vectors.
http://tw200forum.com/forum/general-dis ... vel-2.html
Generally, there are no berms on gravel roads. Road graders wipe them out. Of course, there are often ruts that can be used as berms, if they aren't too deep, too narrow, and/or aim in the wrong direction. Most of the time, no ruts. Still, competition style suspensions and tires can make good time, by powersliding like a dirt track bike. Lots of fun, if you can do it. Consistently. Most riders think they are powersliding when what they are really doing is throttling up a little wheelspin for gits and shiggles by kicking the rear wheel out a little in a corner, but they are not powersliding through a corner crossed up like a dirttracker.
 
Dances with Shrapnel said:
Read this thread while listening to Ice Cream for Crow by Captain Beefheart.

Makes sense to me.

You've nailed it. Hobot = Captain Beefheart. I wondered why his posts seem familiar. Bat-Chain Puller! :D
 
Hobot is always prolific, knowledgable and confusing. Poetry maybe?
Hard to understand? You betcha!
All of those who love these motorcycles make this site so enjoyable and informative.
Mike 8)
 
Ugh Beefheart just sounds like obnoxious noise to me similar to my tires getting out of line on THE G#&%#@^, OH Crap NOT Again. If ya ever get a handler that can hook up a sideways wheelie on level tarmac w/o a crub you'd be crazy too, not to want more. There is psychedelic magic lurking in every isolastic Commando that makes every turn a digital traction fractal paisley...

HOOKED on Commaando
 
Hey Bruce, turns out all forums are the wrong ones for Peel's deal. I do not know who was more surprised by ole obsolete Peel the sports riders, the MX and Trials guys with a big heavy Brit twin echo's through wild woods or me. If all I ever experienced were what's available to everyone else I'd sure feel the same way as everyone else and actually did too, so literally tok a bunch of life risking life changins OMG decision points way past point of no return to blast tough my own barriers that Peel took in stride.

If only I've gotten the lawn mower I went out for in '99 and never saw another big twin Norton. So I crashed so much trying to go easy I got insane/angry at my stupid self and new conditions realizing being careful didn't work as everyone would have me/you believe, so decided if I was going down again GOODDAMNIT it was going to be by my own hand actually seemingly OVERDOING it to get the crash over with again > to find that it'd tend to hook up at last instant and pop upright aimed into open path ahead on next turn to
swear and scream at. I told Master Code that's all I was paying him for a place to find out about over doing it on pavement w/o any regard to speed, just over powered control so not to crash unawares if doing that in public tights. It killed me and one of his Nina's but not in no corner antics so opened a whole another world and amazment of modern cycles and tires, then tired on Peel before I sold that POS clunker >>>tll lost all respect for the poor balloon tire buzzy corner cripples.

Besides just having a blast I'd like to demo the magic lurking in Isolastic Commando to flip others reality upside down.
 
UnHooiked on Marbles and Arrowheads, Marbles and Arrowheads, Marbles and Arrowheads, Marbles and Arrowheads, Marbles and Arrowheads...
I abhor drifts and slides as tire traction time waster by exploring enough of it to classify its variations as applies to me after THE Gravel forced it.
Anyone that can counter steer a motorcycle while giving good throttle and lean in a sweeper can easy transition into a slide though most street bikes can't turn forks enough to do it as dramatically as flat trackers. I don't ride with a steel shoe so quickly got past any reflex to put a foot down or risk it sticking & dragged under bike twisted off at odd angles. To learn what Ms Peel is made to do I may duct tape major joints to hold pieces in place better than just boots and jacket. Fractures unless sticking out skin or over lapped don't really hinder me until some hours later when nerve reaction, swelling and toxic shock reaction hits but I slap-wrap-tape rubbery magnets on local injury sites and so usually down in a day or so to gimp about work pretty well - no throbs or pain, w/o drugs, unless too stupid or active I re-tear re-separate bone for a pain spike a second or so to remind me don't move that way, then gimp back off like Festus to avoid what everyone expects it to be like but me. By the 3rd day summer of '99 after asking the big twin tatoo and leather guys how they got across the you know what, silence looking at foot lightly draging back and forth on the ground looked up in union said Trailer It. Ugh, is it crazy or yogic to know you must crash some more or just stop the injury to cycle and flesh now but do it any way. I guess sliding feels so much like crashing to me I'm scared of it deep down, but if I ride I know what's next.

HOOKED on Commaando

Least of deer strike injury on Trixie '06. notch below R knee, chain saw touch sliding off bluff, crater area on shin, momma Fiddle Back spider '01.

Basically just begin a turn and power up, if that don't break free then lean more, it that don't do it counter steer sharper, it that don' t do on pavement for ya then ya are just in the Hooked Up Phases of Ms Peel. If ya just hold same lean steer and power setting bike hits a balance point and drift on its CoG out at the tangent. If ya really spin up tire rear will slip out past hip so just reflexly steer into the slide till balance felt then keep rear spun up and kind of ski it on around till easing up steering so tires snap back in line with slight hi side action and rooster tail into the open. This style gets tires farthest apart but dramatically widens turn and tire may last on dirt doing it but not on THE Grit. It don't deliver the G forces I crave so counter productive all around to me. BY FAR dry smooth pavement is easiest of all surfaces but ya have to go faster or have more power than dirt trackers doing it. Its easiest because there is nil doubt about when the slide will stop on your command and pick up to carry on.

Trickier is not intending a drift of slide but front goes L down a berm while rear goes R up a berm but bike still going on same line of CoG as prior with tires in line. Three ways to deal with it, hope its self correcting by keepping good rear thrust and momentum, snap forks further into flat tracker counter steering ie: pointing front away from lean direction till front actually road following at same time spinning rear enough not to hook up till both tire almost lined back up on path or go bizerk spinning rear w/o leaning much, gorilla grip bars to force but into seat and use whole trunk power to swing loosened rear back in line with front and let off some to carry on. This don't work out immediately well as on Marbles a pendulum action sets on the vertical CoG in that slightly over shoots inline tires so must dampen the oscillations some too far out cutting throttle would hook and hi side plus too much lack of power will not keep front floating on top of the Arrowheads and it plows into Gravel to rudder shudder over powering the rear steering authority.

Both tires sliding opposite ways yet travel is still pretty smoothalone line of vertical mid line CoG. In the Commando this pivot area seems to be just behind engine but on my SuVee650 its more forward. This translates are longer lever or longer string swinging rock over head. After a while of the non flat tracker slides one gets sense of ballerina holding arms in or out. Commando is more responsive to get out of line or back in line than the few other cycles I've tried and gave up on. The lean or horizontal CoG feel about seat level on Commando but about waist level on sportsbike. If I hang out too far or any at all at times on SuVee it tends to lift tires off surface pivoting on such hi CoG which low sides out the tangent and also slows the vertical CoG turn rate too much to get back in line in time.

Then there's crabbed-skewed sliding going in essentially straight line but counter steering away from the lean exactly like a flat tracker but feet on pegs or me standing on pegs. I only get to do this one on Ms Peel and so far only on loose steep climbs a few hundred yds long sweeper around a ridge so whole road tipped off bank angle. When rushing up ya give more and more power till rear looses grip and swings to one side but as must always stay mostly upright it presents a diagonal patch to THE Nimbles & Bits for more grip more power rush up but also is aiming us off the edge by low side which I counter like flat tracker steering front where he wants to drift to go. Peel gets about 5-6 inch spread then becomes more balanced stable hard to upset so I can actually relax like spreading feet some on rocking boat deck holding a railing. This type slide self corrects no probliemo.

The most common slide/drift I do on both SuVee and Peel is phase 3-ing it usually up a nicely banked rising turn, [p3 is allowing/making bike fall over on its own w/o need of fork help counter steering so fork snap into straight steer turn road following hook up] ie: I go in hot enough speed I know rear or front will slip out on any extra lean and steering so I over lean and steer ahead of time, which if not over doing it and sticking like normal would turn before the road did smacking what ever, but getting crossed up like 1st that bike slide sideways long enough and bleed speed w/o brakes it just hooks up nicely and finished the turrn pretty as ya please do fear of loosing front end or rear in loose sharp turn as I already beat THE Slutty Shitty Stuff to the punch! Its very similar to the racers leaving black marks all the way through a wide turn, but they end up wider while I end up on inside of turn cutting many yd off the lenght of the turn, so not wasting time tire and traction.
 
I got a bit confused with what happened and why. But if your gunna post "selfies", could you at least smile even tho you got a scratch or two...
Trouble is the rehab time is proportional to age... good luck hobit!!
 
Ugh, oldChris its the wonders of a tri-linked Commando out handling a decent well set up sports bikes that i want to convey.

What yoose dudes and dudetts ride as ordinary Commandos, like my Trixie can not and should not attempt any of this by you or by me. I have not crashed kicking up heels on any cycle trying to turn in the various ways but do get hurt going straight ahead and taking care. Nasty photo was deer leap strike into me about head on going careful 30's mph straight ahead after dark on Trixie'72. Crashed my SuVee going about 35 mph into a mild dip with 3 pot holes that bounced suspension & tires off surface 1/4" so twisted bike on horizontal CoG at same time as vertical CoG to land on me and slide up slope a dozen yd till rear end swung bike on me enough to lead the way into a fence line stop - which first strange thought was - hm never knew there was a metal gate there hidden by the brush. Everyone that is so limited by ordinary motorcycles seems to only think its turning action that causes crashes but in my case damnit. No one but the locals and some out of state pilots [that still survive] believe Peels handling capacity and seem to think it shows great skill to slide a cycle but I tried to convey how simple and safe it is on any cycle in easy conditions if ya do it on purpose and at break neck rates. One past world traveled and online adventure published Bob Grimlin on his big BMW Africa desert 'attacker' wisely parked at end of pavement to ride with me in cage to view Peel project and homestead. His sister told me he was killed on Texas hwy commute T-boned. I rode with Bob on my SuVee in one of the Ozarks Dragons and he pointed out where he lost his best friend over a bluff face on his RI in a switch back. I think of my wife w/o out me each ride - do you?

My real bragging rights is as primary care DC physician that is licensed to accept any type case and do 40 yr now - cancer to comma to crippled chronic spinal cord conditions, often as last resort Dr. Everyone else thinks a crashed mangled joint is source of pain and should not heal up better than new, even in very old people but I know better and my living and my life depends on this. Oh sure immediate fracture with mashing grinding tearing hurts terrible for a few minutes immediately but after that should only hurt if moved too far or re-injured by too much force before stable again. Arthritic deformed hands feet 12 drug case that sends others from across the US to me because their friends find them up in a tree hanging X-mass lights - shocked - to hear about me and turn em around too. Ninety three yd old wheel chair bound 30 yr woman whose daughter had dragged her complaining mom around 3 different states to every type MD DO DC PT Acupuncturist to surgeons, all took one look at her xrays and refused to treat such a delicate severe case, so when they came to me I thought damnit i'm trained by the best so try to apply it. This woman was flat resentful and nasty mood to be forced to suffer more repeatedly with all the travel for another dead end. Whole right side in pain especially low back and right leg sciatica. Found cervical stenosis by huge bridge of bone into cord that I was able to move for 30 sec pain free till I let go. Eureka! it was not completely fused. Six week neck traction she Popped out of wheel chair, got spry happy and sold Texas home, moved to NC and daughter wrote me later she was so tough-recovered she was able to face and heal 30 yr of family division. This case changed my whole view on life and aging. Bones and joints are only tissue that have potential to heal up better than new. Gut surface renews in 3-4 days, blood 120 days, bone/joints re grow 7-9 mo so unless you are poisoned or nutrient deficient you ain't very old inside.

I can monitor tissue ages in various parts of body to see if responding to care so should only find mere teenager old tissue and thank goodness I do in patients and me. Age ain't really the main factor, just how long real sources have been over looked so time to wear out more and more treating only where symptoms are found. Main factor is most all case is neck posture wearing out on the brain stem and easy as neck stretching and traction to regrow over a few seasons. Next is not eatting the grubs and roots and tubers and berries and frog and chicken bone marrow like indians and cave men, so multi mineral complex in a table/capsule needed. I've regrown over an inch at age 62 and had to switch back to 34" length jeans as all my crushed discs have regrown by DIY method so am able to take injury and heal faster than stupid young whipper snappers.
 
Who is hobot?
Is he that guy who regularly posts in Japanese??
What's he doing on a Commando anyway?

Phil
 
THE Gravel has trammed/trained me on various benefits and ways to skip/drift/slide to appreciate a real expert's summary of how to make it work out once hook up exceeded ON Purpose. Best controlled skipper-drifter-slider was tri-linked Peel, worse ever to avoid on only happening by surprise to learn what to always avoid in future is my factory Combat Trixie, so so in between my SV650 after following SV-Rider upgrade suspension advice. Peel was so hard to slide - required going in extra harsh on power lean and sharpness but never let me down. I'm not good enough to want any more modern cycle pavement sliding but Peel invited that to get sense of thrill.

Casey Stoner on slipping around on corner cripples with limiting hints only a special tri-linked isolastic skinny tire rider recognizes for expectation Peel can out hook even by novice.
http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/0 ... a_mot.html
 
Sliding is something I just can't get my mind around. In 40 years of motorcycling I have never done any off-tarmac riding. Perhaps it's not too late to learn. Keep this topic rolling.
hobot said:
Casey Stoner on slipping around on corner cripples with limiting hints only a special tri-linked isolastic skinny tire rider recognizes for expectation Peel can out hook even by novice.
http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/0 ... a_mot.html
Great read.
comnoz said:
Fun Fact: The longest side of a vagrant is called a “hobotenuse”.
Very clever.
 
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