I have read many complaints on here regarding products and services and feel that as somebody
supplying product I have a little insight.
Most "dealers" are profit motivated and as such the cheaper they can buy and the more expensive they can sell
for the better they like it.
There are some faults that lie with the biker though. Every show I attend people bitch about price and try to
save money, not a bad thing, however with chain the difference between the bullet proof iwis, talking Commando,
and a crap product is about £15. The problems around the primary drive and rear drive also have some origins in
money saving. In the USA and OZ British standard chain is not the norm and the Jap and ASA chains have width issues.
It is easier for "dealers" to suggest a change to 520 than to source a British standard chain that they will make less money
on. I currently sell 124 links of RK 520 non O ring for £20 where an iwis is over £40. As for the primary just look at prices,
a Renold around £55 and an Elite around £30.........you get what you pay for. This is putting aside the fact that most
triplex are built to a budget nowadays hence the move to the Merc duplex.
I have tried dealing with companies and and they are only interested in margins, it is only when customers start demading
a certain product do they ask if I can supply. A local Jag agent was selling an Indian chain and told me to bugger off
10 years ago, this year they sheepishly came asking for prices and it was down to the market asking for a better product.
In USA ask TT Race Engines about me and my chains.
I only deal in chain but I would expect the same would apply to other products.
I like to sleep at night and yes I get it wrong every now and again, I am old remember, but how you deal with mistakes
can usually be a good sales aid, and above all I will only sell the best for a use.
To sum up owners should do some ground work, without the internet it was hard but with it the information is there if
you look. It is also worth noting that I have had many Brit bikes over the years and the quality of products was never an
issue, we used Renold 110056 rear and 114038 primary and never had a problem, in deed I dont think I or my mates ever
changed a primary. For decades bearings, chain and other parts never gave any issues..........perhaps something has changed???
I will wait for the bricks to be hurled but I have broad shoulders and yes following the comments re spring clips, in this
matter I do better than the manufacturers, or some of them at least. Since it was put on here I have shown dozens of guys
in the UK the problem and they have now seen the light, most were Norton Commando owners.
Have fun and any owners of any bike are always welcome to visit.
Andy
supplying product I have a little insight.
Most "dealers" are profit motivated and as such the cheaper they can buy and the more expensive they can sell
for the better they like it.
There are some faults that lie with the biker though. Every show I attend people bitch about price and try to
save money, not a bad thing, however with chain the difference between the bullet proof iwis, talking Commando,
and a crap product is about £15. The problems around the primary drive and rear drive also have some origins in
money saving. In the USA and OZ British standard chain is not the norm and the Jap and ASA chains have width issues.
It is easier for "dealers" to suggest a change to 520 than to source a British standard chain that they will make less money
on. I currently sell 124 links of RK 520 non O ring for £20 where an iwis is over £40. As for the primary just look at prices,
a Renold around £55 and an Elite around £30.........you get what you pay for. This is putting aside the fact that most
triplex are built to a budget nowadays hence the move to the Merc duplex.
I have tried dealing with companies and and they are only interested in margins, it is only when customers start demading
a certain product do they ask if I can supply. A local Jag agent was selling an Indian chain and told me to bugger off
10 years ago, this year they sheepishly came asking for prices and it was down to the market asking for a better product.
In USA ask TT Race Engines about me and my chains.
I only deal in chain but I would expect the same would apply to other products.
I like to sleep at night and yes I get it wrong every now and again, I am old remember, but how you deal with mistakes
can usually be a good sales aid, and above all I will only sell the best for a use.
To sum up owners should do some ground work, without the internet it was hard but with it the information is there if
you look. It is also worth noting that I have had many Brit bikes over the years and the quality of products was never an
issue, we used Renold 110056 rear and 114038 primary and never had a problem, in deed I dont think I or my mates ever
changed a primary. For decades bearings, chain and other parts never gave any issues..........perhaps something has changed???
I will wait for the bricks to be hurled but I have broad shoulders and yes following the comments re spring clips, in this
matter I do better than the manufacturers, or some of them at least. Since it was put on here I have shown dozens of guys
in the UK the problem and they have now seen the light, most were Norton Commando owners.
Have fun and any owners of any bike are always welcome to visit.
Andy
