EV drawbacks

The one thing that I have trouble with is he attitude that 'science' will come to our rescue re: battery limitations etc, ie: the 'need' will inevitably lead to the solution.
Hasn't worked so well for cancer sufferers, no?
 
EstuaryBoy said:
The one thing that I have trouble with is he attitude that 'science' will come to our rescue re: battery limitations etc, ie: the 'need' will inevitably lead to the solution.
Hasn't worked so well for cancer sufferers, no?
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So the answer is what… do nothing to solve? Or ban everything that’s harmful…? Neither works for me.

Anyway, I think you’ll find that cancer survival rates have increased MASSIVELY thanks to science and medical improvements.

We only have to look at the computing world to see what’s possible with technological advancement in the electronics world, especially with new ish tech. And all achieved without the need for laws to drive it !

1980s mobile phone battery anyone …?
 
No, I'm not saying that at all (and not quite sure where: 'ban everything that's harmful' comes into the equation)
Yes, technology HAS leapt on (usually driven by MONEY!!, but that's no bad thing) but I still baulk at some people's seemingly blind faith that a solution WILL be found eventually, whatever the problem..
I will admit I raised eyebrows at this:
'But the transition is inevitable - as is the leap in battery technology and infrastructure that will undoubtedly follow.
Economic, logistical, environmental and legislative challenges notwithstanding, EV’s are the future. So buckle up! Your kids will be driving (and riding) them in the future, if they are’nt already. '
 
EstuaryBoy said:
No, I'm not saying that at all (and not quite sure where: 'ban everything that's harmful' comes into the equation)
Yes, technology HAS leapt on (usually driven by MONEY!!, but that's no bad thing) but I still baulk at some people's seemingly blind faith that a solution WILL be found eventually, whatever the problem..
I will admit I raised eyebrows at this:
'But the transition is inevitable - as is the leap in battery technology and infrastructure that will undoubtedly follow.
Economic, logistical, environmental and legislative challenges notwithstanding, EV’s are the future. So buckle up! Your kids will be driving (and riding) them in the future, if they are’nt already. '
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Happy for you to ‘raise an eyebrow’ EB - fair enough say I - just satisfied to be having a balanced conversation about the subject.

Using science failing to solve cancer (or the common cold for that matter) doesn’t really work, but you are right; science can’t fix everything. But I think in the area of technology the odds are much better. Look where batteries were 15-20 years ago.

As you identify, science needs money to conduct research and certainly to succeed! It wouldn’t surprise me if batteries were supplemented with multiple other technologies. Less blind faith in science, more expectation based on history.
 

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EstuaryBoy said:
No, I'm not saying that at all (and not quite sure where: 'ban everything that's harmful' comes into the equation)
Yes, technology HAS leapt on (usually driven by MONEY!!, but that's no bad thing) but I still baulk at some people's seemingly blind faith that a solution WILL be found eventually, whatever the problem..
I will admit I raised eyebrows at this:
'But the transition is inevitable - as is the leap in battery technology and infrastructure that will undoubtedly follow.
Economic, logistical, environmental and legislative challenges notwithstanding, EV’s are the future. So buckle up! Your kids will be driving (and riding) them in the future, if they are’nt already. '
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The ‘ban everything that’s harmful’ was put into the equation by me cos there’s only three options:

1. Do nothing
2. Try and solve the issues through improved technology that supports societal change
3. Ban all the stuff that’s harmful irrespective of the consequence.

Options 1 and 3 are unacceptable in my eyes. So all focus should be on enhancing and exploiting human intelligence and innovation.

And I couldn’t agree more that science needs money to advance in this area. That’s exactly where I believe the govts should be spending, rather than on new laws or tax breaks for EVs (that are only bought by the relatively wealthy) !

Note: I know I’m over simplifying with the above 3 points, but it’s just to make the case clear.
 
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Stephen_Spencer said:
Happy for you to ‘raise an eyebrow’ EB - fair enough say I - just satisfied to be having a balanced conversation about the subject.

Using science failing to solve cancer (or the common cold for that matter) doesn’t really work, but you are right; science can’t fix everything. But I think in the area of technology the odds are much better. Look where batteries were 15-20 years ago.

As you identify, science needs money to conduct research and certainly to succeed! It wouldn’t surprise me if batteries were supplemented with multiple other technologies. Less blind faith in science, more expectation based on history.
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It seems to me that electric is being hailed and pushed as the only answer
Yes batteries have come a long way but let's just suppose that battery and electric motors advances stop today
They have reached their limit today
Then what?
 
nopdog said:
Another one the should be locked boss. Cause it’s boring as bat shit.
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I think the criteria for locking is topics over spilling into political fall outs (which this isn’t, for once this is a grown up empathetic conversation).

It’s not ‘when threads become boring to some’ !
 
nopdog said:
Another one the should be locked boss. Cause it’s boring as bat shit.
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Suprised at that nd - I find the conspiracy conversations much duller. Sample the content and move on is good advice. There’s an orchestrated train wreck or exploding EV somewhere on the site.
 
baz said:
It seems to me that electric is being hailed and pushed as the only answer
Yes batteries have come a long way but let's just suppose that battery and electric motors advances stop today
They have reached their limit today
Then what?
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Then we’d be in a pickle cos current ones just ain’t good enough, except for those doing regular short runs, living in countries / areas with adequate infrastructure, and able to afford them !

When you look at the total, global, transport topic, current EV offerings only satisfy a very small slice of the pie chart.
 
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Fast Eddie said:
I think the criteria for locking is topics over spilling into political fall outs (which this isn’t, for once this is a grown up empathetic conversation).

It’s not ‘when threads become boring to some’ !
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“Give it time”
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
Happy for you to ‘raise an eyebrow’ EB - fair enough say I - just satisfied to be having a balanced conversation about the subject.
Less blind faith in science, more expectation based on history.
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Regarding those last four words, my bank would always put (usually in small print) something like: 'Past performance is no guarantee of future expectations' :-)
 
No idea what that vehicle is... I have seen a few car fires over the years, it isnt uncommon. Fire Warden stuff at work discussed types of extinguisher for types of fire, presumably professional firefighters will be trained on methods and equipment specifically for electric car fires.

Re. progress of technology; legislation & money making may drive improvements, but I'm sure we all appreciate that racing improves the breed - getting more power out of engines, better reliability, better braking & suspension, driver protection etc etc are all things that find their way to road vehicles. Maybe we should be supportive of Formula E racing.

Other than that, technology is progressed by war... us having things that make bigger bangs on the other lot before their stuff goes bang over us.
 
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